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post #1 of 6 Old 07-16-2012, 05:23 PM Thread Starter
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Constantly forging/hitting herself + really chippy hooves?

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About 3 months ago (2 trims) I switched farriers. Previously I had been using a "barefoot trimmer" and my mare's hooves chipped only very very rarely with her. However, my mare was also super ouchy on gravel and the trimmer basically refused to work towards a solution. So I got a new trimmer, a "real" farrier, who came highly recommended.
This new guy has trimmed my girl twice (the last time was about 3 weeks ago) and I'm not sure what I think. My mare seems really comfortable on her feet, not ouchy at all on gravel - even right after she's trimmed (the major issue before), BUT she's now constantly hitting herself with her hooves in the back and she constantly has fresh cuts on the backs of her front pasterns from -I assume- forging. Her hooves are also "super" chippy right now, which they never, ever, were before. Chipping was something that just didn't happen.
I can also see some hoof bruises working their way out on her front left and her back right (the two hooves that are taking the "brunt" of the "abuse" - aka, being kicked the most) and bruises were extremely rare before.

She is also basically blind so I'm not sure how much that might play into her interfering with herself... She had more sight when the trimmer was doing her (she recently went from 50-ish% blind to 85-ish% blind) so I'm not sure what to think about that.
She's also 27, if that makes a difference.

The trimmer had her on a 8 week schedule and this new farrier has her on an 8 week schedule as well...

It's becoming such an issue that she's actually acting sore pretty much all the time from hitting herself so often.

Anyway, since I'm rather unfamiliar with farriers and what's good and what's not, I figured I should ask you guys if all that^^ is normal.
Our previous trimmer was our trimmer for the entire 3.5 years I had owned Lacey, when I let that trimmer go, so I have no experience outside what she did.

I've heard that upside down bell boots can help with interfering...can I put them on all 4 hooves because the back fetlock/pastern areas are in the same, or worse, shape as the front pasterns...?
Also, the other kind of strange thing is that she has major cuts on the inside of her back right pastern/fetlock, but the cuts on her back left are on the outside. I figure it probably has to do with her placing her feet weird when getting up due to her blindness, but I really don't know. She appears to get up normally when I see her get up, but that doesn't mean a lot.

Here's an album of pictures, if you'd like to see what I'm trying not to panic about... I labelled them with that foot they each are and I tried to put them in a easy to understand order... haha
These hooves are 3 weeks post trim. I ride mostly on asphalt, gravel, and cement so they certainly aren't coddled!

Hoof Pictures.. Normal?

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Now, keep in mind that I am no expert, but it looks to me like the only thing they are really lacking is a more pronounced mustang roll to get some more of the pressure off the hoof wall (which is probably causing the majority of the chips). Whether the increase in interference has anything to do with her worsening eyesight or whether it was the change in farrier is anybody's guess.

Have you considered getting a rasp and having the farrier show you how to do some touch-ups between trims to take care of the little rough/jagged areas? That might help as much as anything.

Do you know whether the majority of the interference injuries happen when she's turned out or when you're riding her?
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Good to know that angles-wise and things they don't look bad! what a relief. :)

That was actually my plan, that I forgot to mention - to have the farrier show me how to rasp her hooves correctly next time he's out, then touch them up myself between trims. I do have an old rasp, I just have no idea what I'm doing.

They seem to occur mostly overnight. She'll have no new cuts when I check on her at 8pm, then when I see her again around 9am, she'll have a new cut/scrape or two. That's a good point.
That's kind of why I assume the "bad" cuts happen while she's getting up - she doesn't usually lay down during the day but she does lay down at night.

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Hmm, that could darn sure be right. Is her current pasture pretty flat and/or debris free? If it's got downed trees or anything, I would probably want to get all that picked up and cleared out.

It probably wouldn't hurt to try turning her out with some bell boots on and see if it helps. Poor old Lacey, give her a hug from me, K?
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Her pasture is, unfortunately, pretty hilly. It's kind of one of those "between a rock and a hard place" things - the hills are really great for her body muscle-wise but not so great for sleepy time. :/
I am beginning to seriously consider closing her and Lady off in the small "drylot" area up by the gate for nighttime. It's reasonably flat up there (certainly the flattest area in the pasture) and pretty safe for laying down in. But, at the same time, doing that presents other problems. Horses- living to make life as problematic as possible.

No debris in there though! I walk the whole thing every few days to make sure everything stays safe. The ground is totally clear - nothing to stumble over here!

Poor old girl! I will definitely give her a hug for ya. :) She's having quite the year, poor thing. First her eyes, now this, and her eyes still hurt her on sunny days. It's probably the saddest thing ever. :( If she didn't enjoy being alive so darn much, I would really be wondering about her quality of life. :/

Bell boot city, here we come.

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Not a great set of feet, but don't know how long ago they were last trimmed, this farrier's only had 2 goes, 8 weeks is *generally* a bit long between trims, and need better pics to say too much(check out link in my signature) so not judging the farrier on that necessarily, except in that the quarter flaring on the fronts hasn't apparently been addressed.

She does have extremely flat looking soles and unhealthy looking walls, that I suspect has a fair bit to do with diet & nutrition and I'd be cautious about working her on gravel, as soles may be quite thin & therefore prone to further damage. I'm concerned at the quite 'broken forward' angle of her back feet and the 'bullnose' appearance. Has the farrier 'dubbed' the back toes, or is this how they grow or are worn(drags her back toes)?

The interfering and form of her backs could be due to a body issue - perhaps she's got a hip problem or such, that a good bodyworker may be able to resolve.
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