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post #11 of 27 Old 07-12-2012, 01:43 AM
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Also if you have a right-or-left handed horse, the mane will usually lay over to the weak side (high heeled side). All the horses I've rode with manes that layed on both sides were very even and equal both ways in conformation and movement
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Also if you have a right-or-left handed horse, the mane will usually lay over to the weak side (high heeled side). All the horses I've rode with manes that layed on both sides were very even and equal both ways in conformation and movement
And the mane can change if the horse is injured, or bodywork fixes an imbalance too. At least I believe this, while I haven't actually found much evidence for claims that.... the shape of the markings on a horse's face mean he's the Evil Horse Of Doom or some such!

Annabel, without more info, knowing history, etc, let alone a fresh job & some different angles, I wouldn't presume to judge your farrier about it, but I do see stretched toes, mainly on the back feet and some contraction, with the heels of the shoes in on the frogs.

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I never knew the direction the mane fell had anything to do with balance. Hm, you really do learn something new every day.
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Measure the widest part of the front feet. If the low-heeled foot is wider, there's an imbalance that's not your farrier's fault. Thank you.

Also, in response to the "shorter leg" theory, very, very seldom is a horse's leg truly shorter. The optical illusion is caused by the high heel elevating the fetlock joint and knee, making the entire leg appear shorter. Yeah, I just threw that out as a possible reason a farrier would actually WANT to trim "unevenly" on purpose. I know there are many reasons that things may look longer or shorter than they actually are. Thank you again.
At least I was able to see that there was something off about the current condition of those front feet! Years ago I would not have even noticed...after all, "the farrier knows what he's doing, right"?? Unfortunately, I am learning that there are MANY farriers out there who do NOT know what they are doing. Thank you again for your input.

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I never knew the direction the mane fell had anything to do with balance. Hm, you really do learn something new every day.
my thoughts exactly..... it drives me crazy that Rockets mane is "wild" to me....it is everywhere! Guess that's a good thing now!!!!!
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At least I was able to see that there was something off about the current condition of those front feet! Years ago I would not have even noticed...after all, "the farrier knows what he's doing, right"?? Unfortunately, I am learning that there are MANY farriers out there who do NOT know what they are doing. Thank you again for your input.
me and Rocket are living proof that SOME farriers do not know a **** thing, or just don't care... not sure which.... I will be getting 2nd opinions and researching on everything from now on.... I know my "ignorance" should not be excused, but I "thought" that was what I pay the farrier for every 6 weeks?

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I don't know anything about shoeing, but the clips are interesting; I've never seen them before. Is there a reason for them?

I also notice the shoe seems kind of long in a few pictures, actually covering part of the heel. Is that because of dressage needs? Just wondering!

(My horses are barefoot, only did shoeing for a founder case.)
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I don't know anything about shoeing, but the clips are interesting; I've never seen them before. Is there a reason for them?

I also notice the shoe seems kind of long in a few pictures, actually covering part of the heel. Is that because of dressage needs? Just wondering!

(My horses are barefoot, only did shoeing for a founder case.)
From what I've been told by the farrier, the clips are to stabilize the shoe because placement is so important on the hoof, and he is in a strenuous job.
He also likes to extend the shoe out the back to provide more support to the hocks and other joints by giving a wide area of support. You'll also notice the shoes are fairly flat and broad - this is for the same reason, to provide more support. In the past when my horse was developing into the collection and was having issues loading the hind as much as we needed, my farrier added some lateral support to help him in the training, now the shoes are more "normal" but some support is still there.
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MBP you nailed it, this is the most even his hooves have looked, they have been up to 15 degrees different with major imbalances in the past. It's my biggest issue for keeping this horse going sound and healthy :) I've been through a lot of farriers!
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Yes! I got one right! I bet you've been through a lot of farriers. They all do it differently and so far this guy is doing for you what worked best for me. You can only do so much to change the shape of the feet. There is always going to be that 15 degree difference there. All you can do in context of shoes is what the farrier did, set the shoe back under the low foot to even out the breakover.

Just keep an eye on the underside of that high foot. Ideally the farrier should be knocking that toe back so the foot doesn't continue to stretch forward. That frog looks like it's barely touching the ground which will make that foot more prone to heel pain since the cushion on that foot is weaker since the frog doesn't come into enough contact with the ground.

As long as the hinds keep that nice wide bulbous heels bulbs and huge frogs, you'll be in good shape back there.

Loosie and Amazin, I never heard about that mane thing. In my horse's case, it doesn't fit. It tends toward his high foot side, which is neither his strong or favored side, but falls to both sides in most places which also makes no sense for a classic high/low. I'm done trying to train it to one side or the other. It can stay where it wants.

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Loosie and Amazin, I never heard about that mane thing. In my horse's case, it doesn't fit. It tends toward his high foot side, which is neither his strong or favored side,
Yeah, it tends to be the high &/or weaker side that it falls to.
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