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    08-13-2013, 10:55 AM
  #1
Yearling
Critique this trim

Well, I am not happy with the trim this farrier has done(again). Jasper(who owns this particular hoof) was sore, for about a week after he was trimmed, last time. Once again, he was just trimmed yesterday and he is stepping "carefully" on sand/dirt. Unfortunately I only got these few pictures of his left front hoof to be generally decipherable .

The three things that I see as being wrong with this trim are (A) the frogs were growing back nicely since I've been treating the thrush, but then she trimmed them making them more susceptible to thrush etc. (B) She(the farrier) cut the soles down practically flat which appears to be what is cause Jasper pain when he walks. (C) The heels are uneven.

Help! Am I being over reactive? Does this hoof look like it has been trimmed well?
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    08-13-2013, 11:04 AM
  #2
Trained
The pic is a bit blurry, so it's hard to tell, but it does look like there was quite a bit of paring on the sole, including the callous. The heels do look uneven to me and I think could have been brought back more as well. As for the trimming of the frog, it may have been necessary. Often with thrush I find that the frog has to be trimmed to open it up. There may even still be a potential thrush pocket at the bottom right of the first photo. Without seeing what was there before, I wouldn't rush out to have issue with the frog trimming. Maybe necessary, but maybe not. There certainly isn't a lot of frog left at the heel, but it will come back.

Is he sore now? His soles don't look flat to me in the pics, but there isn't much callous for him.
     
    08-13-2013, 11:07 AM
  #3
Banned
Your horses heels are uneven I can see that don't think soles should be carved out either. Same thing with frog not suposed to carve it out.....only take off what's peeling. Last farrier I had was always carving out soles and frogs my horse was sore after every trim and shoe reset....would be sore for 2 weeks it ticked me off. That fairrier is history....
     
    08-13-2013, 11:10 AM
  #4
Green Broke
I wouldn't worry about his frogs being trimmed, that's normal in every trim or shoe-job I've seen/done.

The soles..are soo choppy, that farrier needs to learn how to sharpen his knife and actually cut the sole instead of trying to hack away at it.

As for the heels, they could probably be taken down a wee little bit overall, though that outside edge is slightly longer than the inside.

Overall though, I think the foot itself looks unbalanced. The toe has more hoof than the heels, from the picture (could be an illusion though).

I'd definitely want some more sole taken out for it to be smoothed and more concaved so that he isn't walking on his sole competely and his wall can support the majority of the weight (unless he has thin/weak walls, which I can't tell from the picture), in which case the sole should have pretty much been left as is.
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    08-13-2013, 11:16 AM
  #5
Yearling
I'm no expert, but it looks a little dodgy to me. The sole looks like it's been hacked at with a melon baller or something...
     
    08-13-2013, 11:22 AM
  #6
Green Broke
Looks like she carved some concavity into his hoof, which one should not do. The hoof will become concave when the internal structures are ready. Becoming concave before then will definitely sore your horse. As for the frog trimming, that may have needed to be done. If it was growing over into the collateral grooves or had a bunch of tags hanging off, it would become even more susceptible to thrush by having places bacteria could get trapped. Trimming the frog helps to clear anything away that can invite infection. Yes, the heels are uneven. The trim all around is not good. His toe needs to be backed up and the heels brought back.

ETA: Live sole should never be carved away! You should never put concavity into that hoof yourself. When the coffin bone is in the correct position, the sole will become naturally concave. The sole is protecting the coffin bone, leave the coffin bone as much protection as possible.
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    08-13-2013, 11:26 AM
  #7
Yearling
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Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
The pic is a bit blurry, so it's hard to tell, but it does look like there was quite a bit of paring on the sole, including the callous. The heels do look uneven to me and I think could have been brought back more as well. As for the trimming of the frog, it may have been necessary. Often with thrush I find that the frog has to be trimmed to open it up. There may even still be a potential thrush pocket at the bottom right of the first photo. Without seeing what was there before, I wouldn't rush out to have issue with the frog trimming. Maybe necessary, but maybe not. There certainly isn't a lot of frog left at the heel, but it will come back.

Is he sore now? His soles don't look flat to me in the pics, but there isn't much callous for him.
Yes, my camera was having a bad day and even though I took like 20 pictures only about 5 weren't horribly blurry

I had already taken off any flaps that might have been making a home for thrush, and she took off some of the new growth.

Yes, he is walking slow and acting uncomfortable, but you have to look for it when he is just walking on dirt. Last time he was trimmed and I took him on pavement/gravel he tripped a few times and tried to get on the grass.
     
    08-13-2013, 12:17 PM
  #8
Trained
I agree w northern. I would definitely get a different farrier, he had what appears to be a healthy well shaped set of hooves to trim up if this one is any example - there was no reason for this excessive and unnecessary carving on the soles.
     
    08-14-2013, 12:22 AM
  #9
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Tracer    
I'm no expert, but it looks a little dodgy to me. The sole looks like it's been hacked at with a melon baller or something...
LOL, I was thinking a spoon.

It looks like someone tried to carve her concavity. You horse will be sore because all the protection was carved away. This does not look like a good job. In the meantime, you can use Durasole or Turpentine to harden up those soles.
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    08-14-2013, 12:38 AM
  #10
Trained
Were you there when the farrier trimmed these hooves? I would like to know how they made those dents in the sole? With a hoof knife, that's is a horrible hack job there.
     

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