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    04-20-2012, 12:21 AM
  #21
Weanling
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Originally Posted by SallyRC123    
Yes - Navicular Disease.
This just keeps getting more and more interesting.

Was the diagnosis via radiographs, MRI or flexoral exam?

Any photos of the navicular package your farrier installed?

Cheers,
Mark
     
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    04-20-2012, 12:34 AM
  #22
Started
Treating thrush in a wet environment is certainly a challenge, I hope it goes quickly for you! Sounds like you have lots of different things to try, just remember to give them a chance to work before changing to the next one. Thrush doesn't go away instantly (I wish) but you should see improvement now that you;re on top of it.
     
    04-20-2012, 09:10 AM
  #23
Weanling
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Originally Posted by SallyRC123    
Yes - Navicular Disease. Since its so wet here, I will try the vinegar soaks until I can get my hands on some "Tomorrow" dry cow mastitis treatment. I haven't been bandaging in the rain as its creating a lovely, warm, moist environment within the entire hoof for bacteria to thrive. I have also read about 'pete's goo' (athletes foot cream with neosporin) which I will also try. I think its a long road ahead in this wet weather :(
Wow where did navicular come into play? That's the last thing uou want....I don't think it happens because off a wet environment.. You say the frog has shrunk with navicular the foot and hoof would shrink. With the heels contracting.
Does he walk on his toe more then heel?
My old farrier always said for every problem ride, ride ride.
Keep that circulation going.
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    04-20-2012, 10:39 AM
  #24
Yearling
I am a firm believer that "research" can a horse owner's best friend. Many years a go I bought a hard-backed book titled Horse Owner's Veterinary Handbook authored by James M. Giffin,MD & Tom Gore, DVM.

I do believe I may have found a correlation of the Deep Sulcus Thrush and Navicular Disease. I quote, "Infection can penetrate sensitive laminae of the foot, infect the digital cushion and damage the tendons(unquote)." Navicular Disease, and again I quote, "The navicular bone transmits a considerable portion of the weight of the horse. In doing so it is forced backward against the deep flexor tendon. Injurious contact between these structures is prevented by the interposition of a bursa(senovial fluid sac, my insertion). But as the bursa becomes inflamed, the bone and tendon are no longer protected. Traumatic changes then occur in the tissues surrounding the navicular bone.(unquote)." This info credited to the above source in first paragraph.

More "food for thought" so to speak.

Any thoughts Welcomed no matter in the positive or negative of my research.
     
    04-20-2012, 10:46 AM
  #25
Weanling
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Originally Posted by candandy49    
I am a firm believer that "research" can a horse owner's best friend. Many years a go I bought a hard-backed book titled Horse Owner's Veterinary Handbook authored by James M. Giffin,MD & Tom Gore, DVM.

I do believe I may have found a correlation of the Deep Sulcus Thrush and Navicular Disease. I quote, "Infection can penetrate sensitive laminae of the foot, infect the digital cushion and damage the tendons(unquote)." Navicular Disease, and again I quote, "The navicular bone transmits a considerable portion of the weight of the horse. In doing so it is forced backward against the deep flexor tendon. Injurious contact between these structures is prevented by the interposition of a bursa(senovial fluid sac, my insertion). But as the bursa becomes inflamed, the bone and tendon are no longer protected. Traumatic changes then occur in the tissues surrounding the navicular bone.(unquote)." This info credited to the above source in first paragraph.

More "food for thought" so to speak.

Any thoughts Welcomed no matter in the positive or negative of my research.
Wow I had no idea!!
I guess there are many different factors behind naviculardisease.
Good point! Thanks
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    04-20-2012, 08:29 PM
  #26
Trained
Wow, I know that a toe first landing will keep the deep flexor in a constant state of contraction and create stress on the bones, but never factored in sulcus thrush into the equation. It makes sense though. Anything that causes heel pain, thrush, high heels, bad trim, poor digital cushions, etc, is going to result in a toe first landing. Sounds like the true goal of any hoof care should be a heel first landing.
     
    04-20-2012, 08:56 PM
  #27
Trained
OP-this may sound a it harsh, but-here goes. You have MANY good ideas here. You have what your VET has said to do (and he has actually SEEN the feet in person. I would suggest the following:

You stop trying to overanalyze this. Step 1- Spend more time in trying to find your horse a dry place to live, than you are questioning what the vet says, that is not productive time, IMO. Without dry feet nothing will work. THis is PRIORITY ONE.

Then, (step 2)PICK ONE of the treatments and go with it. I would suggest it would be best if you go with the vet, or cow stuff, but you need to pick something and stick with it long enough to see it there is a difference. Perhaps a second opinion would make you stop reading on the net and questioning constantly. If you don;t trust your vet get another. It is one thing to look on the net, that is fine, but the constant waffling back and forth....sometimes can even make a vet quit. WHy would he bother if you are always going to do something else (that you read from strangers who have not seen the horse) anyway?

Once you have started a treatment-step 3. FIND A NEW FARRIER. Yours is crap. If I had a farrier who had not mentioned this to me MONTHS ago (if I somehow missed it myself) he would never be allowed to touch my horse again. Period. Perhaps your vet can recommend one who is good at corrective work, which you will need.

God luck getting this under control.
     
    04-21-2012, 12:29 AM
  #28
Weanling
Deep sulcus thrush causes senstivity in the heel area, and can mimic navicular disrease's clinical symptoms. The vet is concerned there is an underlying problem as to why the horse is landing toe-first.

The horse has not undertaken radiographs, MRIs or a flexoral exam. There is no navicular package - the prognosis is not that advanced yet. The vet has seen the horse once. She would like to xray the feet to ensure there is no underlying pathology, eg navicular disease. This will most likely happen in the following weeks when the horse is trimmed again and I can take her out to the clinic.

From what I've learned its not so much about the 'stuff' used to treat the thrush but rather the stimulation required for growth of the frog. Ie: pressure and release action, a healthy frog is one that gets used. Will keep this in mind during treatment.
She is in a large paddock and the rain has cleared up today so looking forward to going out in the dry and seeing how the hooves are.

Yes - asking a lot of questions as there are so many avenues of treatment to a common problem that many people have experienced. Despite the questions I am sticking with one treatment - iodine gauze (advised by vet) and No Thrush which is working quite well. However, would like to get my hands on the Cow stuff. And now that the vet as recommended hydrogen peroxide and apple cider vinegar will consider those to.

Will also be working with a barefoot trimmer recommended by the vet, rather than current one.
     
    04-21-2012, 12:35 AM
  #29
Trained
As someone with a horse with a club foot where the frog hadn't touched the ground in the past 9 years, I can attest that hoof boots with thick pads will help stimulate the frogs a lot. A few hours a day during turnout will go a long way toward achieving healthier frogs. Once you start knocking down that thrush, it would help a lot. If you're in the US, you can order dry cow from Tractor Supply.
     
    04-21-2012, 01:02 AM
  #30
Weanling
In Australia unfortunately! But hoping I can order online and have it shipped if its not available here (which I don't think it is). What type of hoof boots do you have for your horse with the club feet?
     

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