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    08-07-2012, 01:23 AM
  #1
Trained
did I get the wall to low?

My mare had a few "chips" in the quarter area, so I just rasped them right out. You can see the tail end of the chips in her hoof wall in the pic. Did I get the wall to low - especially on the right in the picture? I tried trimming off a bit of the sole on the right side to "fix" what I had done. Her sole is hard as steel, so I couldn't get much. B/c of the whiteness, it is hard to see "depth" accurately, sorry. What is the best "target" heigth of the hoof wall beyond the sole? Anyone? What action should I take?

As a note...for those living in lush green areas agast at the frogs , she is in a very arid climate...and she doesn't have thrush, I had just cleaned pooh out.
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    08-07-2012, 03:35 AM
  #2
Trained
Hi,

Yes, looks like you could have gone a tad too far, but not by much. Bearing in mind that IMO there are rarely if ever any hard & fast rules, only principles to adapt as necessary.... one of my 'rules' is never to invade the sole plane with rasp or knife. I think it depends on a few things, especially environment, as to how short you want the walls & on dry, hard, rough ground, I'd be keeping the walls back at or near level with the sole plane.

Can't tell balance or depth or anything from that angle, but I'd bet there's some lateral imbalance there, which has led to the right side toe/quarter wall being more flared. This imbalance could be a trimming mistake but it could also be the conformation or such of the horse & in that case, you need to trim to what balance *she* needs, not what measurements may tell you. So can't tell you what, if anything you can do about the imbalance, but re that flared area, I'd just keep it well bevelled/rolled, to relive any leverage on it.
     
    08-07-2012, 04:06 AM
  #3
Trained
Thank you loosie. I appreciate your suggestion and info. I am not good w photos at all, and the "whitenes" doesn't help. She is in sand, so I hope that helps w any undue pressure until it grows out. Ah, dang I hate doing this stuff..I feel rotton for having gone rasp crazy! I guess it would be best if I waited for it to grow out before I ride her? I do ride w boots, but it is extremely rocky on the trail.

Looking at the photo again, I realize I should have mentioned, the top (toe) isn't a bad "back off the toe" job or anything. Thanks for not accusing me of that! She bangs her feed trough after dining whereby "rounding" both fronts. Needless to say, I feed her in a separate enclosure to limit the "drumming".
     
    08-07-2012, 10:57 AM
  #4
Yearling
It does no harm to get the hoof wall rasped a bit beyond the sole in just the quarter area. (the widest part of the foot) That area is designed to chip and break away along the arch in the sole anyway. The place you will get a horse sore if you trim too far is at the toe corners, about ten and two o'clock.
In THOSE areas it is important to leave a little bit of wall (an eighth inch roughly)extending past the sole to share the load with the sole edge.
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    08-07-2012, 03:36 PM
  #5
Weanling
Hmmm...Shouldn't that hoof wall be taken back to the red line I drew?? (sorry for the shaky line, my pen pad didn't want to work right today) And the heel that looks way forward on the sole, shouldn't that one be pulled back to match the other side??

Help, Loosie, whatcha think??

EDIT: forgot the picture...sorry
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    08-07-2012, 06:02 PM
  #6
Trained
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Originally Posted by FaydesMom    
Hmmm...Shouldn't that hoof wall be taken back to the red line I drew?? (sorry for the shaky line, my pen pad didn't want to work right today) And the heel that looks way forward on the sole, shouldn't that one be pulled back to match the other side??

Help, Loosie, whatcha think??

EDIT: forgot the picture...sorry
By the red line you mean "take it back" by beveling at a more severe angle to the red line?

By the blue line, and "be pulled back", do you mean, trim her left (in photo) bar? The back "tip" of her heals, for reference on a white on white photo, is pretty far from the seat of corn.
     
    08-07-2012, 10:48 PM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
By the red line you mean "take it back" by beveling at a more severe angle to the red line?

By the blue line, and "be pulled back", do you mean, trim her left (in photo) bar? The back "tip" of her heals, for reference on a white on white photo, is pretty far from the seat of corn.
Not so much a "severe angle", but taking off excess flared wall outside the red line I drew. You want to leave a "hoof shaped" outline when you are done trimming, without the flared out areas. Sorry, I really suck at describing what I mean.

As for the blue lines on the heel, the right side looks nice and open and "where a heel should be", but the left side looks "wrong"...too full of excess hoof material and not well defined, and run forward. Man, I REALLY suck at explaining stuff.

Check out Bare Foot Horse They explain things really well for "hoof newbies" like me.

This photo came from that site: Maybe it will help with the confusion. This foot was done to show the difference between an untrimmed section and a trimmed section. See how the trimmed side follows the outside shape of the sole of the foot? That's what I was trying to explain.
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    08-08-2012, 02:54 AM
  #8
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by FaydesMom    
Not so much a "severe angle", but taking off excess flared wall outside the red line I drew. You want to leave a "hoof shaped" outline when you are done trimming, without the flared out areas. Sorry, I really suck at describing what I mean.

As for the blue lines on the heel, the right side looks nice and open and "where a heel should be", but the left side looks "wrong"...too full of excess hoof material and not well defined, and run forward. Man, I REALLY suck at explaining stuff.

Check out Bare Foot Horse They explain things really well for "hoof newbies" like me.

This photo came from that site: Maybe it will help with the confusion. This foot was done to show the difference between an untrimmed section and a trimmed section. See how the trimmed side follows the outside shape of the sole of the foot? That's what I was trying to explain.
Thanks for the photo, I see what you meant now. I am relatively new to this too, and not by choice. Her highness only allows me to trim her tootsies. Oh, joy.

I don't know if I have the "confidence" to take that much off...especially after taking a tad too much wall in the quarters. I am sure I can round/bevel the photo upper-right third, as loosie suggested, which would be "partly" in agreement w the picture.
     
    08-08-2012, 10:08 PM
  #9
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patty Stiller    
It does no harm to get the hoof wall rasped a bit beyond the sole in just the quarter area. (the widest part of the foot) That area is designed to chip and break away along the arch in the sole anyway. The place you will get a horse sore if you trim too far is at the toe corners, about ten and two o'clock.
In THOSE areas it is important to leave a little bit of wall (an eighth inch roughly)extending past the sole to share the load with the sole edge.
Agreed. But it depends too. As mentioned I think it depends on the terrain the horse lives & works as to wall height, but it also depends on hoof health. If there's loss of integrity around the toe, stretching or such, then I think it can be best to relieve the wall. But the sole, while there are exceptions to the 'rule', I would almost never touch between 10 & 2 & rarely & little around the whole outer perimeter.
     
    08-08-2012, 10:31 PM
  #10
Trained
Yes FayesMum & Missy, I'd probably bevel from close to the red line, leaving the inner wall but bevelling the outer, which would include the flared toe quarters. I'd possibly open up & bevel off the cracks, particularly the lateral quarter, to eliminate any seedy. It does also look like the bars could be a bit shorter, particularly the medial one.

The second pic you attached FM, I think it a severe & unnecessary degree. (Granted I think there are indeed reasons you may want to go that far & I only have one pic & no info of the hoof). So don't worry you're not that 'confident' Missy! But I think this pic can give you a pretty good idea, because of the pigment in the outer hoof wall. For a normal trim(as opposed to trying to correct probs), the 'untrimmed' side of that hoof looks pretty good, even & neat to me & I'd bevel a bit of a mustang roll probably to the white, unpigmented wall.
     

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