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    02-03-2013, 06:56 PM
  #11
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I personally don't own nippers so I just rasp things down.
I think that if I were to let Lacey's hooves get long enough to where I could nip, her hooves would have majorly overgrown. I mean, I take her all the way to the white line on most of her hoof and even with doing that every two or so weeks, I still get little flares here and there.

You could, of course, try for a few trims but I think you'll find it easier to keep on top of everything if you just do a little rasping once every one or two weeks... :)

ETA - I did discover that once I started following the white line, her soles REALLY changed. We had a major sole shed-out during the first month or two that I was doing her hooves myself. While her sole was shedding, I was rasping every week, sometimes more. Now I'm more comfortable that her sole is "accurate" but it is still stretched and warped in a few places that seem to be slowly working themselves out as I continue to follow the WL.
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    02-03-2013, 06:57 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by KeroKero    
But I'm not asking about my horses feet specifically for this question, I wanted to know if other people have done trims by nipping to sole level, then rasping the bevel - which makes sense in my head but I've never seen it done. But then when I thought about it, that means if the sole isn't level, the trim won't be. At the same time, since you don't want hoof wall touching the ground and creating that leverage anyway, you may as well nip and then bevel, and I suppose if the sole wasn't exactly balanced you could knife or rasp it down a tad... that makes sense...

So, what I'm saying in that wall of text above XD is that no matter what, you'd need to go by the sole and correct it if it were imbalanced, .. so why not nip to save time.

Personally, I don't use nippers at all now, though I did for my first trim just to take off the excess length. I can say from experience that the results were very uneven and it was hard to make very precise nips. I didn't take all the length at once, I finished it off with the rasp.

A few things I would highly suggest are never take a knife or rasp to live sole, only ever exfoliate dead or false sole. Also, don't go into it with so much confidence that you don't seek help or guidance, there are members here that are highly knowledgeable and have been much help to myself and others
     
    02-03-2013, 06:58 PM
  #13
Weanling
Kero, this is how I was taught, nip to sole then bevel. I do pretty much what Spotted describes. I never do touch sole as we work it off on our dry/rocky terrain. I'm like you, I just had to do it to learn what worked for me. Just be sure the edge of you nipper is level with the bottom plane of the sole. It's easy to start trying to angle at that edge and then you find yourself going too short.
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    02-03-2013, 07:10 PM
  #14
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Originally Posted by Spotted    
I'm not a pro, I just do my own horses. Hopefully someone else jumps in to help you as well.

Could you post a sole shot of what you do? It's true I've also never seen anyone bevel heels, so I wasn't planning on it - the wall at the heel always seems to stay level with sole in every trim job and picture I've seen.
     
    02-03-2013, 07:16 PM
  #15
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Lunavi, here I am asking for help and guidance, just as I have since the day I got this horse XD I always like other's opinions....

I also agree with the "little and often" method of trimming, but for now, he is over due, and nippers are in order. His regular trimmer has cancelled on me 3 weeks in a row now.

For the bevel, do people bevel just to the outside of the white line, half way through, or nearly to the sole? I agree with not trying to create the bevel with the nippers, askin for trouble.
     
    02-03-2013, 07:18 PM
  #16
Green Broke
The farriers that have done our horses nip the hoof first then clean up with the rasp. All but the last one have trimmed the frog and sole. The last didn't trim the frog and left the hooves a little longer than we were used to seeing.

My wife's horse always seemed to be ouchy on gravel and I think that is why they left them a little long. I guess we'll see if it is better come spring.
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    02-03-2013, 07:24 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by usandpets    
The farriers that have done our horses nip the hoof first then clean up with the rasp. All but the last one have trimmed the frog and sole. The last didn't trim the frog and left the hooves a little longer than we were used to seeing.

My wife's horse always seemed to be ouchy on gravel and I think that is why they left them a little long. I guess we'll see if it is better come spring.
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Do you mean the hoof wall was left long? Wouldn't really help with being sensitive, but could cause issues if left that way - really the only thing I've learned that helps with ouchyness over gravel is walking more often on gravel. Including having gravel in the pasture, where the horses usually walk, like near the water trough. Could also be an internal issue though. Ahahah maybe you could post pictures too
     
    02-03-2013, 07:39 PM
  #18
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Firstly it would depend on the state of the feet & the environment the horse lives & works on as to whether it's appropriate to take the walls down to sole level anyway. Secondly, apart from the odd occasion where you realise it's actually been 4 months, not 4 weeks between trims, you shouldn't let your horse's hooves overgrow so much that there is enough to need nips. Thirdly, you can always take more off, but you can't put it back. It's easy to take too much with nips. If you're only just learning, I'd leave the nips well alone. You'll need practice with the rasp to be able to do the job well anyway.
     
    02-03-2013, 08:15 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by loosie    
Firstly it would depend on the state of the feet & the environment the horse lives & works on as to whether it's appropriate to take the walls down to sole level anyway. Secondly, apart from the odd occasion where you realise it's actually been 4 months, not 4 weeks between trims, you shouldn't let your horse's hooves overgrow so much that there is enough to need nips. Thirdly, you can always take more off, but you can't put it back. It's easy to take too much with nips. If you're only just learning, I'd leave the nips well alone. You'll need practice with the rasp to be able to do the job well anyway.

Loosie in what environments would you want the hoof wall longer than the sole? Isn't that type of leverage always bad?
     
    02-03-2013, 08:18 PM
  #20
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by KeroKero    
Do you mean the hoof wall was left long? Wouldn't really help with being sensitive, but could cause issues if left that way - really the only thing I've learned that helps with ouchyness over gravel is walking more often on gravel. Including having gravel in the pasture, where the horses usually walk, like near the water trough. Could also be an internal issue though. Ahahah maybe you could post pictures too
The previous farriers would cut out some of the sole before nipping the wall. The recent farrier didn't really touch the sole so the wall didn't get cut as much, which in turn is longer than trims before. Not longer than the sole but longer than we're used to seeing after a trim. BTW, the get trimmed every 8 weeks.
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