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    04-10-2013, 12:05 AM
Originally Posted by AlexS    
When I thought you were boarding I was going to tell you to pick up a rake and clean that out. I board, I pay $375 a month for that privilege, if I see manure, I grab a fork and clear it.

Why if your horse is on your property is it living in those conditions?
Its called one snow storm after another and buried poop had kept it kinda picked up. But less then half way through winter lost that battle. Hard to pickup froze to the ground poop.

And poop that's buried under snow we got 3 and half feet of snow.
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    04-10-2013, 12:43 AM
I don't know where you are, but I used to live in Michigan. We got a lot of snow, and what kept me from clearing it was not wanting to be out in the cold. Fresh poop is on top of the snow. Frozen manure can be kicked clear with the use of good boots, and I weigh about 115lbs. If I can do it, anyone can.

I am sorry, but living in a cold climate is not a reason for that condition of living conditions for the horses. That's months of not even trying.
    04-10-2013, 02:02 AM
Originally Posted by AlexS    
I don't know where you are, but I used to live in Michigan. We got a lot of snow, and what kept me from clearing it was not wanting to be out in the cold. Fresh poop is on top of the snow. Frozen manure can be kicked clear with the use of good boots, and I weigh about 115lbs. If I can do it, anyone can.

I am sorry, but living in a cold climate is not a reason for that condition of living conditions for the horses. That's months of not even trying.
Guess their living condition aren't up to some peoples standards sorry but that's the way it is.

Their well fed and get vet care when needed I take care of them. Picking up poop out of pens isn't aways doable. There scraped out twice a year with bobcat. Yep its months worth and will be like that till ice is gone.

Sorry I ever posted that pic wich by the way I deleted. My horses aren't the only horses that aren't boarded who live in same conditions. Have a friend who keeps her pen clean her horses have thrush even in a so called clean pen.

If people don't like how I care for my horses that's their problem not mine. Guess I should be turned in for not caring for my in my avitar is horse living in muck he suffers every day from my. Horrible care.
    04-10-2013, 03:44 AM
I'm glad that you give your horses the vet care they need. That is important. However, they shouldn't have to live with you only getting rid of their poop twice a year. Get a pick and a wheel barrow and pick it out yourself. If you do it regularly, then it isn't a big deal. Even in bad weather, I really think it is important to provide your horse with a dry place to stand.

I get that you are in a mess right now. If it were me, I'd put my horse in a nice, dry stall at night. I'd work on that dirty, nasty turnout a wheelbarrow load at a time. Make the time. It will save you a hell of a lot of money in vet and farrier bills.
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    04-10-2013, 04:20 AM
I get that sometimes sh*t happens... pardon the pun! & perhaps it's a lot worse than regular ATM because of recent conditions/events - we all live in the real world remember Alex - but I do agree if those conditions are common ones, I'd be working very hard to change that. If for some reason you can't actually clean it often enough, you might look into covering the area with river rocks & then few inches or more of pea gravel on top - then it won't get boggy in the thaw & poo will break down & fall through the gravel. IME(well, experience of boggy conditions, not snow), sand won't work as well & will also need to be at least 1' deep depending on how much mud.
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    04-10-2013, 10:54 AM
Iam going to get their pen cleaned up right now it frozen again. As soon as its thawed it will be cleaned.

Iam doing the best I can they are in stalls every night on clean dry shavings.. yes its bad and it isn't good for my horses to live in it.

Alex give me a break ok the mess will be fixed.

Loosie thanks were going to haul in pea gravel have to wait for the ice and snow to be gone.
Things got away on me so now iam paying the price. Farrier that was supose to show up at 8am didn't. Haven't heard from him either so threre it is .

Iam at a total loss horses need feet trimmed and can't get a farrier to show up.
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    04-10-2013, 11:11 AM
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Wow I don't think you people realise what the ground is like out here. My horse is currently stalled indefinately due to 6+ inches of slurry muck on top of frozen ground. The ground is frozen and we have gotten several inches of rain on top of the 50 inches of snow melt plus another 12 inches of wet snow coming today. There is nowhere for the water to go. And no you can't go kicking the manure, if our tractor can't scrape it then a foot surely cannot either.

We are full of clay soil out here which is terrible for managing drainage. It is what it is. Every year this is what happens, it usually only last a week or two but this year as soon as things start drying up its several more inches of rain or snow.

Honestly for just the driveway in front of my barn it would take several dump trucks of pea gravel to get it somewhat dry. I work at another very high end show barn and outside it's the same story. They have an indoor though and those horses are used to staying in all winter.
    04-10-2013, 12:13 PM
Green Broke
"walk a mile in my shoes" might apply here.

I can't believe how this thread has morphed clear out of the original intent

No matter how great of horse caregivers each and everyone of us are, nobody can tell me they didn't find themselves in some sort of extenuating circumstances they wished to h**l they weren't in.

Anyone that can answer "no" to that, hasn't owned horses long enough or was lucky enough to have a big enough income to quickly erradicate issues. Therefore doesn't have to worry about wading thru muck and whatever else, normal everyday folks often have to suffer thru.

Kind of like the saying "if you have no fear, you haven't gone fast enough".

Believe you-me, there were times when I struggled thru similar issues with my horses and amazingly, it was in the driest of places --- how 'bout the Low Desert of Southern California. It was a long time before things resolved the right and proper way and only then, because a neighbor came and helped me for nothing more than diesel fuel and a case of beer.

Back then, there were no horse forums to get advice/help. I had to figure everything out for myself.

Until the mud/manure issue can get resolved, I'm sure OP will be diligent in administering the needed topicals to get hooves back to normal health. She's a step ahead of where I was in SoCal ---- she has a dry stall

That said, getting back to the footing. It's going to have to be dug out past the top soil and the manure-dirt put somewhere the horses can't walk on it.

Don't fill with sand, trust me trust me trust me, that's asking for more problems the next time it rains cats and dogs.

If you can afford driveway base put that down, followed by standard driveway size gravel. If you want to put sand on top of that, ok but you need something under the sand that will allow the water to drain down thru.

If your area is too big to make stones financially possible, give consideration to some sort of drainage system . Pay attention to the direction the water wants to run-off and make your drains to enhance that natural direction.

If your area is small, believe me, thrush bacteria/fungii will not go away until the top layer of mud/manure has been removed, no matter how dry and dusty you might get. I know this from my own experience

Hope that made some sense
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    04-10-2013, 01:20 PM
Thanks walkinthewalk. Its a tought time to fix issues not only that hubby on unemployment so don't have funds for gravel.

Poppy yeah no one has a clue what its like here in mn in winter time.
Like I said doing my best my horses have thrush iam treating.

I was mad when I posted the post above last night until youv been in my shoes don't judge me. Iam struggling to find a farrier no one shows up. Its almost 3 months since they were done. The no show today won't return my calls. So give me a break it is what it is lifes tough right now.
    04-10-2013, 03:15 PM
I wasn't making any suggestions about expensive footing, I realize that people live on a budget, and that's just not possible for many people. A great many horses live in mud, and that's something that is often unavoidable.

My comments were based around simple labor. It's just simply not healthy for horses to stand in large amounts of manure, all day and all night. And in one breathe OP you are saying, you couldn't clear it out because of the weather - but then in the other breathe you are saying you only clear out twice a year with the use of equipment. So when the ground is dry in summer, the horses are still stood in massive amounts of manure.

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