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post #1 of 5 Old 05-19-2012, 12:03 AM Thread Starter
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Doesn't Seem Right

Mudpie has had a history of bad feet. For three months before he was mine, as a four year old, he worked as a "dude" horse (Which was a terrible idea – if he hadn't have been being starved, he would have done much worse than just turn around and walk back home!! XD) at a pack station where he was seriously neglected and abused. He was ridden by very large people in a poorly fitting saddle for that time on very rough and rocky trails... barefoot. He's an Appendix and has bad Thoroughbred feet to begin with, so it was absolutely terrible. Also, they never picked out any of their horses feet. He was lame for most of his time there. The bad nutrition + bad hoof care resulted in some hoof problems.

From there, he went out to pasture at my mother's house. I kept having issues getting him the food that he needed, so his nutrition wasn't very good, but he also wasn't being outright starved, he just wasn't gaining any and having a bit of an issue maintaining it. During this time, he kept going overdue for the farrier. His shoes would fall off in the pasture and then he'd go dead lame, every time. This was another issue with my mother, as I couldn't get her to call the farrier on time. I could remind her daily for two weeks (standard practice for me) and she would still wait to call until after he was lame again. It would take a few days until he was sound again. He wore leather rim pads on the fronts.

After his injury (he fractured a splint bone and did some other things in November), he went to Penny's and has been there since. He's been getting excellent nutrition and regular hoof care, and no longer needs the leather rim pads. :) Which is great!

The thing I'm a bit worried about is the way his hoof looks right now. He'll be getting new shoes in a couple weeks, I think, but I don't know if I like the way they're wearing? I don't know a lot about hooves, and I'm by no means an expert, but they just really don't look right to me! (He's been being shod by the same farrier for the past 6 months) Can someone maybe help me out with this? Am I imagining things? Is something going on that I should know about? Sorry for the novel of writing, but I wanted to give you his hooves' history and let you know what was going on. Here are two pictures I took today. If you need more, or different angles, just let me know!





Thank you in advance!! :)

EDIT; by the way, in these pics the hooves had just had oil on them because I was gave him a bath, and so they're dustyish.

The hills were bathed in moonlight, the shadows not so stark;
Silver light reflected off his brown hide as he held me in the dark
– I love you, Mudpie!
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post #2 of 5 Old 05-19-2012, 12:08 AM Thread Starter
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Here are a couple other pictures I took today, so you can see a few different angles of the hooves.




The hills were bathed in moonlight, the shadows not so stark;
Silver light reflected off his brown hide as he held me in the dark
– I love you, Mudpie!
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Can't tell much from that pic, except the heels are contracted & insubstantial. The foot appears a bit run forward and it's obvious the wall has been dressed on the surface, so can't tell how much flaring or such. Better pics - check out the link in my sig - would be a start. More info on age, management, diet, specifics of lameness, etc would be helpful too, for more specific opinions.

While I'm not dead against metal rims, I think horses are generally better off without them, particularly before the age of about 5yo at least and if feet are unhealthy. What were the rim pads for? If the horse is lame in his paddock whenever he loses a shoe, chances are there are some pretty substantial problems. You may want to look into Vettec Sole Guard or other such options for protecting & supporting his weak feet.

*Replied above before you'd sent the second post. Apart from the look of a big toe type affair on his right front, along with that foot being steeper than the other, can't tell much more from those pics sorry.
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The trim itself seems okay as evidenced by the level hairline. It does look like a tiny snowball might have started down the hill of the foot in that first pic starting to run forward. I think what looks weird is the shoes don't look large enough for the feet, especially in the heels. There should be enough expansion space on the shoe to allow you to run a dime around the outer edge, and a bit more behind the heels. I'm sure Horseman will ring in on this one. I agree they look weird, just not quite sure if my answer is correct.

You just have to see your distance...you don't have to like it.
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... He was lame for most of his time there. The bad nutrition + bad hoof care resulted in some hoof problems.

... During this time, he kept going overdue for the farrier. His shoes would fall off in the pasture and then he'd go dead lame, every time.

... I couldn't get her to call the farrier on time.

... she would still wait to call until after he was lame again. It would take a few days until he was sound again. He wore leather rim pads on the fronts.

After his injury ... He's been getting excellent nutrition and regular hoof care, and no longer needs the leather rim pads. :) Which is great!
As you've described, the horse's needs were chronically neglected. Now he's getting what he needs and things have improved.

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The thing I'm a bit worried about is the way his hoof looks right now. He'll be getting new shoes in a couple weeks, I think, but I don't know if I like the way they're wearing?
Can you be more specific? Is your concern about shoe wear at the toe? The front shoes appear rockered in the photos (good thing). Does the horse present any lameness concerns?

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I don't know a lot about hooves, and I'm by no means an expert, but they just really don't look right to me! Can someone maybe help me out with this? Am I imagining things?
What is it that doesn't look "right" to you? Can't help if we don't know what your concerns are.

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Is something going on that I should know about?
I don't know. You've suggested the horse has improved (no longer needs pads) and have not described any current lameness/performance problems.

The photo angles/distance make any critique of the work difficult. The farrier can fit and nail a shoe with some skill. Is it the right fit? Is it what this horse needs? Is the concern of a pulled shoe the over-riding factor in the applied protocol (tight through the heels)?

Any counsel here would be mere speculation. Share your concerns with your farrier and try to be more specific.

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