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    10-19-2012, 07:44 PM
  #1
Trained
Easycare says her toes are long

I posted these pics in another thread about my experience with Easyboot gloves. In communicating with Easycare, who have great customer communication btw, their first comment was (surprise, surprise - not), her toes appear long. I say BS to that, but what do you say? Pics are about 10 days post trim.

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    10-19-2012, 09:25 PM
  #2
Green Broke
How'd you get such clear hoof pics? I can never do that

The toes don't look too long to me but it's possible that shape of hoof isn't meant to be in a Glove.

My foundered horse's hooves are trimmed pretty much like yours. He wears Size 2 Boas from Easycare, and yes a semi-load of Kudos to EasyCare Customer Service.

When his hooves start getting tight in the boots, I trim him; after I trim him, he looks pretty much like your pics.

Hook a tape measure, dead center, under the toe and measure (on the outside) up to where the coronet band starts into the hoof.

Anything more than 3-1/4" is too much toe and it can be less. I think my 14.3H TWH's front hooves are around 2-7/8". Three of my four got trimmed today, so I could measure them in the AM. I read that on a credible barefoot website a couple years back but, of course, I didn't save it and can't remember whose site I was on

Your pics taken from the top look shorter than 3-1/4" and I don't see that they are too long for any reason
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    10-20-2012, 12:18 AM
  #3
Yearling
Ever mapped this horses feet? Try it. https://www.google.com/webhp?rlz=1C1...&bih=623&ion=1

His toes do appear too long as in pulled forward, not too long length wise. I see a little bit of toe distortion and the wall doesnt follow the angle from the coronet as well as underrun heels. If you look at the profile, you have three seperate angles growing out. The tightest closest to the coronet, the middle, and the toe which is quite flared. Id dress this toe back from the top a bit.

     
    10-20-2012, 12:24 AM
  #4
Yearling
     
    10-20-2012, 12:42 AM
  #5
Green Broke
I almost wonder if Easyboots aren't made for more blocky, upright feet, rather than bare feet with lower heels.

The reason I say that is I always have to work really, really hard (mallets and hoofpicks) to get Easyboot Epics on my two trail horses. But if I go to a larger size boot they are too loose. So I am always trying to cram them into size 2's.

So imagine my surprise when my friend bought an Easyboot for her new trail horse just as a spare shoe (because he was loosing front shoes all the time) and the boot went on like it was made for him! Not too big, just perfect, and no mallets or hammers to get the boot seated.

I am still trying to figure that one out. The only thing I can come up with is my horse's feet are too wide for the boots, because it's the quarters that get stuck when applying to boots.

So, I guess if my hypothosis is correct, the boots fit the hoof conformation of a horse that is normally shod and has more boxy feet rather than lower angled feet like a lot of barefoot horses have.

Or maybe I am all wrong and mixed up. But I still can't figure out why I have a heck of a time putting on boots and a well fitting Easyboot Epic slides right onto my friend's horse's hoof.

Your horse's feet seems to have a lower angle too. I am thinking they fit more upright feet better. Which is sort of what Trinity's picture illustrates.

So what should a person be doing to fix that? Backing up the toe???
     
    10-20-2012, 01:00 AM
  #6
Yearling
Feet with flare will have problems with tightly fitted boots. I would be striving to grow the tightest foot I could. What I have illustrated above is flare/hoof capsule distortion/underrun heels which of course isnt ideal for a bare healthy foo and will interfere with boot fitting. My barefoot mare has almost perfect feet and her boots (easyboot edges) go on like a glove. My other gelding wears renegades and those are even simpler.
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    10-20-2012, 07:45 AM
  #7
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
I almost wonder if Easyboots aren't made for more blocky, upright feet, rather than bare feet with lower heels.

The reason I say that is I always have to work really, really hard (mallets and hoofpicks) to get Easyboot Epics on my two trail horses. But if I go to a larger size boot they are too loose. So I am always trying to cram them into size 2's.

So imagine my surprise when my friend bought an Easyboot for her new trail horse just as a spare shoe (because he was loosing front shoes all the time) and the boot went on like it was made for him! Not too big, just perfect, and no mallets or hammers to get the boot seated.

I am still trying to figure that one out. The only thing I can come up with is my horse's feet are too wide for the boots, because it's the quarters that get stuck when applying to boots.

So, I guess if my hypothosis is correct, the boots fit the hoof conformation of a horse that is normally shod and has more boxy feet rather than lower angled feet like a lot of barefoot horses have.

Or maybe I am all wrong and mixed up. But I still can't figure out why I have a heck of a time putting on boots and a well fitting Easyboot Epic slides right onto my friend's horse's hoof.

Your horse's feet seems to have a lower angle too. I am thinking they fit more upright feet better. Which is sort of what Trinity's picture illustrates.

So what should a person be doing to fix that? Backing up the toe???
When the first barefoot trimmer started trimming for me, HE is the person who measured and fitted both of my horses ---- and it was a good thing because I would have totally gotten everything all wrong.

One horse can wear the Gloves and they fit just like they are supposed to.

Boas and I think Old Macs fit my other horse BUT, even four years ago, my hands had too much arthritis to work a clamp system so we went with the Boas.

Annnd both horses have one size bigger front hooves than back hooves When it comes to metal shoes, they wore the same size front and back without issue but there was just enough of a difference in them to merit putting a size smaller boot on their backs.

This is one thing I don't recommend the normal horse owner try to figure out on their own. It is well worth the money to pay a farrier or trimmer that carries boots on their truck to come and fit your horse.

By the time a person pays roundtrip shipping costs on boots that don't fit, someone with experience could have helped. Not to mention the time and hassle of cleaning/covering the hoof to keep the boot clean for possible return
     
    10-20-2012, 10:37 AM
  #8
Yearling
Yep that too. I carry a renegade fit kit with me.
     
    10-20-2012, 06:51 PM
  #9
Trained
Agree with Trinity, NM, your horse's feet don't look bad, but yes, they are stretched forward a little & flared. Therefore not ideal for Gloves until that's rectified. I suspect whoever fitted your horse for Gloves measured the base of the feet but didn't consider the flaring. You mentioned using tape in the other thread - that may be an effective answer for you, to tighten up the upper of the boot.

Considering the small degree, that could likely be addressed adequately the next trim, with the walls being dressed from the top a bit more than you probably normally do, but as they start to flare past the halfway point(up), I'd possibly not dress quite that much of the outer wall & give it a couple or so trims to get rid of it.

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Anything more than 3-1/4" is too much toe and it can be less. I think my 14.3H TWH's front hooves are around 2-7/8". Three of my four got trimmed today, so I could measure them in the AM. I read that on a credible barefoot website a couple years back but, of course, I didn't save it and can't remember whose site I was on

Your pics taken from the top look shorter than 3-1/4" and I don't see that they are too long for any reason
Walkin, we're not talking length in that direction. I agree, toes are not too long vertically. I don't know what made that website 'credible' for you, but I can only say I disagree with it. Yes, it is interesting to make measurements of your horse's feet and see how they change over time. Yes it is important to consider 'normal' parameters and see how your horse's feet fit or differ from this & consider why. Yes, *healthy* feet have a very 'short' hoof capsule compared to the average domestic horse. However 'normal' does not necessarily mean right for every horse & situation, and this 'normal' has also only been gleaned from an average of horses studied in a particular environment so far as I know(Jaime Jackson's study of desert mustangs?).

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I almost wonder if Easyboots aren't made for more blocky, upright feet, rather than bare feet with lower heels.

The reason I say that is I always have to work really, really hard (mallets and hoofpicks) to get Easyboot Epics on my two trail horses. But if I go to a larger size boot they are too loose. So I am always trying to cram them into size 2's.
I don't agree Trail. I think most Easy's are indeed made for low heels & short hoof capsules, aside from Boas. But they are all generally made to fit hoof confo that is longer than it is wide(a pet gripe, esp as original Old Macs were a good shape for wider hooves - noises in the pipeline have indicated that wider boots(aside from the wide Gloves) might be happening...). So as you say you have a prob with his quarters, is it possible your horse has rounder feet than is ideal for these boots? If you have a horse who's hooves are as wide or wider(without flares) than they are long, then Renegades are possibly more appropriate, as you can adjust the length.

One thing you might want to try(Easycare don't recommend it tho BTW) is removing the heel strap with the side clamps from the boots. I did this with the original Epics I bought & found them so much better & easier to use.

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Boas and I think Old Macs fit my other horse BUT, even four years ago, my hands had too much arthritis to work a clamp system so we went with the Boas.

Annnd both horses have one size bigger front hooves than back hooves When it comes to metal shoes, they wore the same size front and back without issue but there was just enough of a difference in them to merit putting a size smaller boot on their backs.

This is one thing I don't recommend the normal horse owner try to figure out on their own. It is well worth the money to pay a farrier or trimmer that carries boots on their truck to come and fit your horse.
Re arthritic hands, Easy Trails & Back Country Gloves are really good for ease of use.

Bigger(& wider) front feet compared to backs is normal. Some horses will also have odd sized front feet, which is another booting consideration, as some boots only come in pairs.

Agree with you thoroughly, that it's best to get boots fitted to your horse by a professional. While boots are generally a much cheaper option than shoes in the longrun, it is easy to make fitting mistakes if you don't consider all factors and cause the whole exercise to be an expensive waste of effort.
     
    10-20-2012, 06:52 PM
  #10
Trained
Agree with Trinity, NM, your horse's feet don't look bad, but yes, they are stretched forward a little & flared. Therefore not ideal for Gloves until that's rectified. I suspect whoever fitted your horse for Gloves measured the base of the feet but didn't consider the flaring. You mentioned using tape in the other thread - that may be an effective answer for you, to tighten up the upper of the boot.

Considering the small degree, that could likely be addressed adequately the next trim, with the walls being dressed from the top a bit more than you probably normally do, but as they start to flare past the halfway point(up), I'd possibly not dress quite that much of the outer wall & give it a couple or so trims to get rid of it.

Quote:
Anything more than 3-1/4" is too much toe and it can be less. I think my 14.3H TWH's front hooves are around 2-7/8". Three of my four got trimmed today, so I could measure them in the AM. I read that on a credible barefoot website a couple years back but, of course, I didn't save it and can't remember whose site I was on

Your pics taken from the top look shorter than 3-1/4" and I don't see that they are too long for any reason
Walkin, we're not talking length in that direction. I agree, toes are not too long vertically. I don't know what made that website 'credible' for you, but I can only say I disagree with it. Yes, it is interesting to make measurements of your horse's feet and see how they change over time. Yes it is important to consider 'normal' parameters and see how your horse's feet fit or differ from this & consider why. Yes, *healthy* feet have a very 'short' hoof capsule compared to the average domestic horse. However 'normal' does not necessarily mean right for every horse & situation, and this 'normal' has also only been gleaned from an average of horses studied in a particular environment so far as I know(Jaime Jackson's study of desert mustangs?).

Quote:
I almost wonder if Easyboots aren't made for more blocky, upright feet, rather than bare feet with lower heels.

The reason I say that is I always have to work really, really hard (mallets and hoofpicks) to get Easyboot Epics on my two trail horses. But if I go to a larger size boot they are too loose. So I am always trying to cram them into size 2's.
I don't agree Trail. I think most Easy's are indeed made for low heels & short hoof capsules, aside from Boas. But they are all generally made to fit hoof confo that is longer than it is wide(a pet gripe, esp as original Old Macs were a good shape for wider hooves - noises in the pipeline have indicated that wider boots(aside from the wide Gloves) might be happening...). So as you say you have a prob with his quarters, is it possible your horse has rounder feet than is ideal for these boots? If you have a horse who's hooves are as wide or wider(without flares) than they are long, then Renegades are possibly more appropriate, as you can adjust the length.

One thing you might want to try(Easycare don't recommend it tho BTW) is removing the heel strap with the side clamps from the boots. I did this with the original Epics I bought & found them so much better & easier to use.

Quote:
Boas and I think Old Macs fit my other horse BUT, even four years ago, my hands had too much arthritis to work a clamp system so we went with the Boas.

Annnd both horses have one size bigger front hooves than back hooves When it comes to metal shoes, they wore the same size front and back without issue but there was just enough of a difference in them to merit putting a size smaller boot on their backs.

This is one thing I don't recommend the normal horse owner try to figure out on their own. It is well worth the money to pay a farrier or trimmer that carries boots on their truck to come and fit your horse.
Re arthritic hands, Easy Trails & Back Country Gloves are really good for ease of use.

Bigger(& wider) front feet compared to backs is normal. Some horses will also have odd sized front feet, which is another booting consideration, as some boots only come in pairs.

Agree with you thoroughly, that it's best to get boots fitted to your horse by a professional. While boots are generally a much cheaper option than shoes in the longrun, it is easy to make fitting mistakes if you don't consider all factors and cause the whole exercise to be an expensive waste of effort.
     

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