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post #51 of 55 Old 03-31-2014, 07:26 PM
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Thanks for all the constructive input everyone. I will get my farrier out again ASAP to see about addressing all these issues. Honestly didn't think her feet looked THAT bad :O and every time I asked the farrier he says yup her feet look good.

On a side note, as some of you are obviously professionals, how would you respond to an owner questioning your trimming? I think my farrier is pretty open minded, but any tips on broaching the subject with him?
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Firstly, if your farrier tells you her feet are looking good, I'd be reconsidering his knowledge & whether he was the one that should be doing the work. Of course, as we've discussed elsewhere here, a good farrier/trimmer is invaluable, but there are many areas where there is no option, or the best of a bad bunch is as good as you can find.

I personally feel that horse owners being educated is a huge issue, as you can't do the best by your horse(including working out which people you employ for them) if you don't know what's what. Ignorance & confusion is entirely understandable, but I feel is the biggest welfare issue - I think cruelty & negligence is rarely intentional, I believe people generally mean well & want the best, just don't know better. & you can't knock ignorance if people don't know what they don't know & no professional has ever bothered to inform them.

So.... I explain what I'm doing/seeing & why it's relevant, and enthusiastically welcome questions, comments, suggestions & observations by my clients(there's also the point that they can fill in details I may not see in a 5-weekly visit, that may be relevant to trimming specifics).

Of course, there are ways of saying things & if you were to ask me why I addressed balance in a certain way for eg & suggested that another way, different principles may be worth a try, I would happily consider what you said, explain why I do what I do... & don't do what I don't, and if I felt it did no harm, consider doing it your way.

But if you tried to just... tell me how to suck eggs, or order me to do something I felt was unhelpful or harmful for your horse, I would not be so accommodating & I will not do something I feel is likely to be harmful to your horse, unless under direct vet's instruction(yes, I've done a few things I was uncomfortable about, because a vet has expressly instructed it).
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On a side note, as some of you are obviously professionals, how would you respond to an owner questioning your trimming? I think my farrier is pretty open minded, but any tips on broaching the subject with him?
If you approach him with the attitude of "I found some stuff on the internet about hooves and I think you to change the way you are trimming these hooves" he may just pack his gear and leave.

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So if you gently tell him that you "have a bit of concern about this ongoing toe flare and the heels seem to be growing quite forward. Is there anything you think you can do to discourage it more?"
He might listen, or not.

He might say that he is trimming the foot the best way he knows and the foot is fine and he is the professional and knows better than you. In that case, the next time just find some one else.

If he does listen to you though and says he just doesn't know what might make it better, then you can tell him that you did a little reading and that some farriers say that the long heels tend to push the toe forward.

Then ask: "So just to humor me, would you try and trim the heels down a little more, dress off the toe flare and rocker the toe to reduce the leverage, and we can see what happens?"

And smile when you ask. . Smile big. He might listen, or not.
But if he does and is willing to do it just for shyts and giggles and to keep you happy, tip him too so he will come back and do it again .


My reaction to horse owners who ask me to do something that I felt was detrimental (a strasser type trim for example, or whack up the hoof angles for some discipline) was to take a few seconds and gather my thoughts so I didn't get mad. Then I would calmly discuss the hoof mechanics of their request vs the way I felt it was best to do that horse. If they insisted, I simply walked away from the job. Before the internet, often these requests had come from their trainers or nosy barn buddies.
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Thanks for all the constructive input everyone. I will get my farrier out again ASAP to see about addressing all these issues. Honestly didn't think her feet looked THAT bad :O and every time I asked the farrier he says yup her feet look good.

On a side note, as some of you are obviously professionals, how would you respond to an owner questioning your trimming? I think my farrier is pretty open minded, but any tips on broaching the subject with him?
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The feet could be better, but they are not out of the ball park....so unless you are good at diplomasy, as a retired farrier I suggest "you leave it alone"!........... there is the chance that like some on this site you will be on the market looking for a new shoer or looking for some week end trimming seminar to learn how to do the job yourself.
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Hillary Clayton Phd is the expert in the biomechanics and kinetics of equine locomotion, I even have one of her books somewhere around here. But sorting though her charts and graphs is SO boring even I can't get through it without falling asleep. She once managed to put to sleep half of a nearly 500 person room of farriers and vets. But she does have your answer about the limbs and shock absorption somewhere.
Patty, have you discovered a natural, drugs-free cure for insomnia? How fantastic! This will potentially allow millions of people to come off their sleeping medications, much to the chagrin of the pharmaceutical industry...
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