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post #11 of 20 Old 05-15-2014, 02:27 PM Thread Starter
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Not sure how this works, but trying to reply to Loosie.... Harry seems to have good feet, i have a barefoot trimmer who thinks his feet are looking really good... think you may have a point as maybe i over did it a bit and bruising was happening because of this.... so will get the boots and build up slowly. Not sure how you post pictures on here?! Thanks again
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post #12 of 20 Old 05-15-2014, 08:22 PM
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Will get some photo's taken asap... i have training this weekend so bit hectic, but will try to sort something as i would love your opinion on Harry's feet... thank you so much Kate
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Loosie.....Not sure if i've done this correctly but 4 pictures should be attached, not a very good one of the bottom of his hoof and i've not even cleaned it out... so may not really be very useful and it does look a bit scraggy as it's been cut about a bit by the vet... If this works i can try again! Took the photo's tonight, but was rushing and last minute attempt!
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Hi Kate & welcome,

Firstly, if he's suffering heel &/or sole abscesses, I suggest he may not be going so well barefoot as you think, as it could be due to stone bruising. Therefore, I'd be sticking to yielding footing or protecting his feet with boots or such in situations that are problematic for him, for the time being at least. Abscesses at the coronet band, if not from the odd injury there, can signify different things & it's possible, for eg, if he's worked on hard ground & hoof walls are bearing the whole/majority of the load, that it's concussion related.

So... diet & nutrition are indeed vital for health, including hoof health & strength. Low carb feed is important, so grain & other starchy ingredients should be avoided, and sugary, cattle fattening 'improved' pastures(such as ryegrass for eg) can also be a problem. Nutrition-wise, a basically well balanced diet is a good start. Extra Magnesium & omega 3s are a couple of specifics big on the normal balancing list. gravelproofhoof.org is one source to learn more about nutrition as it relates to hooves.

If you would like a critique of your horse's feet, opinions on specifics, check out the link in my signature & post some pics of his feet, and info on current diet, environment, work, etc.
Forgot to say Loosie that i believe it would have been a sole abscess.. he's nearly 100% now, i've sectioned him off all the grass as think he's that bit older and doesn't need it plus this spring has been so lush... also i'm feeding a product that's been highly recommended (not sure if i'm able to mention it on here?) i've fed it before and felt it was benefiting him, just with all the grass thought i would cut it out, so will now continue with it and reduce the grass considerable, i'm also going to do a pasture paradise the best i can anyway, which will just encourage more movement with less grass at least. My barefoot trimmer is coming on Monday and i will take some better pictures..... Thanks Kate Please could someone explain to me what a track back is and how you use it... thanks
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So the abscess burst at the coronet where that horizontal line is. The frog looks poor and thrushy and worth treating to improve them.
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Hi again, yes, pics aren't adequate for a real critique - hooves need to be photographed squarely & not buried in grass.

The sole shot shows what looks like it could have been a massive subsolar abscess that's blown the left side(in the pic) out? Frogs are also very eaten away & weak looking. Looks like he's due for a good trim & heels are high & run forward.
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post #18 of 20 Old 05-23-2014, 06:42 PM Thread Starter
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Hi again, yes, pics aren't adequate for a real critique - hooves need to be photographed squarely & not buried in grass.

The sole shot shows what looks like it could have been a massive subsolar abscess that's blown the left side(in the pic) out? Frogs are also very eaten away & weak looking. Looks like he's due for a good trim & heels are high & run forward.
The abscess actually broke out in three places (heel, the one you can see in picture and on the inside of hoof, the one you can see was the largest)... so must have been huge

Will have to get some better pictures.... not sure about heels as the person i use seems to think he's ok, well maybe not perfect, bit worried now that maybe he's not getting it right? Been thinking maybe i should just have the farrier trim them, it's so difficult to know as they all vary, barefoot trimmer and farriers, left feeling quite confused about what's right and wrong??? Would heel's being the way they are make him more prone to abscess's? I think the frog just looks bad since the abscess and it definitely needed picking out, his frog before abscess had been looking really good. Will get pictures of all four feet next time.

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The abscess actually broke out in three places (heel, the one you can see in picture and on the inside of hoof, the one you can see was the largest)... so must have been huge
I can see that. Is it the same hoof as the pic with the big abscess at the toe hairline? While abscesses can 'accidentally' happen due to injury/stone bruising, if they are massive &/or repetative, that generally to means there are significant underlying problems.

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Will have to get some better pictures.... not sure about heels as the person i use seems to think he's ok, well maybe not perfect, bit worried now that maybe he's not getting it right? Been thinking maybe i should just have the farrier trim them, it's so difficult to know as they all vary, barefoot trimmer and farriers, left feeling quite confused about what's right and wrong???
You're by no means alone there. One reason why I'm so big on owners educating themselves, because there are so many different skill levels & opinions among the 'experts', be they 'farriers' or 'barefooters', or vets, IMO you shouldn't be taking anyone's word for it blindly, if you want the best for your horse(me neither). Check out the thread link in my signature for a start.

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Would heel's being the way they are make him more prone to abscess's?
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I can see that. Is it the same hoof as the pic with the big abscess at the toe hairline? While abscesses can 'accidentally' happen due to injury/stone bruising, if they are massive &/or repetative, that generally to means there are significant underlying problems.



You're by no means alone there. One reason why I'm so big on owners educating themselves, because there are so many different skill levels & opinions among the 'experts', be they 'farriers' or 'barefooters', or vets, IMO you shouldn't be taking anyone's word for it blindly, if you want the best for your horse(me neither). Check out the thread link in my signature for a start.



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Thanks again ..... my trimmer came today, he explained to me about heels and stuff), it all made good sense and after checking out the photos on your link for how a good hoof looked I'm feeing much more confident. Think Harry is doing ok, Harry has developed good thick soles. I will continue to take Harry out barefoot on short rides and build up much slower this time, though i have bought a pair of boots for his front feet if i want to go that bit further. I've also restricted his grass as feel that was impacting on him, i can see a difference already. I will also continue to feed him the base mix (which i'd stopped feeding) he was getting through the winter which contains all the elements he needs to keep healthy. I did feed them just before the grass came in this spring a bale of haulage from a local farmer, it was beautiful stuff, but thinking now that it was far too rich and probably fertilised with nitrogen and other horrid stuff so not ideal for horses (i did notice their dunk became very loose when on it). So will feed good hay instead. You've really helped.... thanks again and will let you know how things go with Harry
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