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    08-21-2013, 01:27 AM
Once she stops limping, bandage dry for a few days. And let her move. Best way to get all the gunk out.
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    08-21-2013, 03:00 AM
Must have been a big one! I am glad she's better.
    08-21-2013, 11:33 AM
Deserthorsewoman, she's out with her herd now. There's sugardine packed in the hole, and she's duct taped to keep the sugardine in and the dirt out.

Ktrolson, I don't know how big it was, but she sure feels better now that it's draining.
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    08-22-2013, 09:08 AM
As/if a horse is suddenly lame with an abscess, I would soak/poultice with Epsom salts for a few days, which can help it erupt. Then for a day or 2 after. If there's a hole in the sole I'd bathe it once in iodine & consider dressing & her environment carefully for a few days after, to reduce llikelihood of further infection or damage. Maybe understood wrong but I think poulticing for weeks(& when horse wasnt lame??) is excessive & may have contributed by over softening the hoof capsule.

Horses won't necessarily show obvious pain, almost regardless of severity so don't use that as a definite indication.
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    08-22-2013, 11:52 AM
Green Broke
Be VERY careful! A friend of mine horse was lame. She assumes abscess. Of course she soaks in warm water and Epsom salt. Well it turns out the horse was actually foundering and she accelerated the process. The horse coffin bone fell through within a few days.

If your not sure ask your vet!!
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    08-24-2013, 04:49 PM
Addressing the last few comments--this mare was bailed out of a kill pen. She had terrible front hooves. She was trimmed as soon as possible to make moving easier for her, and was wearing a pad to make moving around easier on her. The trim shifted the pressure inside her hoof around, and she went dead lame on that foot. She was poulticed in order to open up the abscess. The abscess is currently draining. She is wearing a gauze pad over the sole of the foot so that the sugardine will stay in place in the cleft of her frog (it ultimately blew there, not at the coronet band). The whole foot has been wrapped so that both the gauze pad will stay in place and the foot will stay clean. My vet will be out on Monday so that I can get Coggins and health certificates for her and her companion mare, and I will have my vet check on the state of her feet.
    08-24-2013, 10:01 PM

Photos are from top to bottom, left to right:

Right front, untrimmed
Right front, trimmed
Left front, untrimmed
Left front, trimmed

The bottom photos are in the same order, but with the angles drawn in so that you can see how the trimming changed the hoof balance.
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    08-24-2013, 10:16 PM
Green Broke
Bless you, truly, for taking so much time and care for this precious horse! Sounds like she's on the road to a much better life :)
    08-26-2013, 03:03 PM
Looks like a really good start! Is the vet doing rads? I'd want some, of the right one, as with that angle & apparent height, I'd want to know how much of P3 may be missing & what the joints above look like. Do you know anything of her history? How old is she?
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    08-28-2013, 02:55 PM
Unfortunately, this mare does not belong to me, and is just here until we can get her to Montana. Her new owner will be getting x-rays so that there's a baseline for reference. My vet was quite pleased with her current hoof condition, and she seems to have little to no arthritis in her knees or pasterns. Hooves are growing back quite strong, frog is already much better.

Her history is completely unknown. She was dumped by her previous owner at the local livestock auction house, with those terrible hooves. I have been told, but have not confirmed, that this horse went three separate times to slaughter in Canada, but was refused entry each time, and thus wound up in the local kill pen. If true, her founder ironically actually saved her life, because she was eating nothing except poor quality local hay for at least three to four months before arriving in the kill pen. It's believed that she is 22 years old (based on her teeth), and we think that she is a TWH.

Here is a montage showing her progression over a month's time:

Far left photo is untrimmed. Middle photo is after first trim. Right hand photo is after second trim, done three days ago (August 25). The dark spot at the tip of the toe in the right hand photo is where the first abscess emerged. The second abscess was in the cleft of the frog so it can't be seen. Heels are getting lowered and the frog is coming back. The stretched out laminae from the middle photo are tightening up. Even though she has a long way to go, this is a huge improvement in just a month's time.
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