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post #21 of 38 Old 09-13-2012, 12:44 AM Thread Starter
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Okay just got her trimmed and apparently the supplement has made her hooves grow almost twice as fast and he will switch to do more often. She was set to do every 6 weeks (i thought it was every five weeks) but will check at four weeks and discontinueing supplement. Her feet look great now they were just wayyyy too long.
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So that's a fresh eg of the same trimmer's work? I am surprised. While it is impossible to tell from that angle heel height, a/p balance, etc, he has left the bars too long by the look of it & *if* he rasped the sole in the lighter area (toe callous), that is not a good move IME. But all up, doesn't look like a terrible job at all. If that's what they usually look like after a 6-weekly trim, I'd be seriously looking into the horse's metabolic issues regarding why they are growing so ridiculously fast. The pink in the white line indicates she has had laminitis. I don't believe it is just the supplement, unless she's having some reaction to something in it.
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So that's a fresh eg of the same trimmer's work? I am surprised. While it is impossible to tell from that angle heel height, a/p balance, etc, he has left the bars too long by the look of it & *if* he rasped the sole in the lighter area (toe callous), that is not a good move IME. But all up, doesn't look like a terrible job at all. If that's what they usually look like after a 6-weekly trim, I'd be seriously looking into the horse's metabolic issues regarding why they are growing so ridiculously fast. The pink in the white line indicates she has had laminitis. I don't believe it is just the supplement, unless she's having some reaction to something in it.
strange but I pasted the pic in my last comment and now it's not showing. The surface is quite level and smooth with concavity. The supplement I started giving her months ago have increased her hoof growth considerably but I learned today that alot of hoof supplements will increase growth rate but not improve thequality of what it grows out. So, I am discontinueing the supplement.
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So that's a fresh eg of the same trimmer's work? I am surprised. While it is impossible to tell from that angle heel height, a/p balance, etc, he has left the bars too long by the look of it & *if* he rasped the sole in the lighter area (toe callous), that is not a good move IME. But all up, doesn't look like a terrible job at all. If that's what they usually look like after a 6-weekly trim, I'd be seriously looking into the horse's metabolic issues regarding why they are growing so ridiculously fast. The pink in the white line indicates she has had laminitis. I don't believe it is just the supplement, unless she's having some reaction to something in it.
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strange but I pasted the pic in my last comment and now it's not showing. The surface is quite level and smooth with concavity. The supplement I started giving her months ago have increased her hoof growth considerably but I learned today that alot of hoof supplements will increase growth rate but not improve thequality of what it grows out. So, I am discontinueing the supplement.
I think that may just be a good idea, especially since her hooves were growing so fast!!

My thoroughbred had typical front hooves for a tb, was forever getting abscesses, had rings around one front hoof, chalky soles, slow growing etc etc. I've used the same farrier for 5 years and had this horse for nearly 2 years, and now his front hooves are rock hard, no rings, hard soles, normal growth rate etc, and all I have been doing to his hooves is picking out daily and brushing clean, then spraying stock iodine onto the soles of his hooves and letting him stand on concrete for it to dry in. The difference it has made has been incredible. He always used to have bruises to show when my farrier trimmed him, and cracks etc. The last 3 times my farrier has been out, the off cuts have been perfect, and there have been no bruises!!

What were you using the supplement for in the first place?

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the supplement I started giving her months ago have increased her hoof growth considerably but I learned today that alot of hoof supplements will increase growth rate but not improve thequality of what it grows out. So, I am discontinueing the supplement.
Yeah, if you only started it a few months ago, normal response to nutrition won't make much of a noticable difference for a fair few months - studies done on biotin say 6-9 months I think. You're correct that some nutrients - namely biotin will make hooves grow a bit quicker, but I don't know of any nutrient that causes 'fast forward' growth to anything like that extreme.

While every supplement on the market claims to be necessary & some sound like 'miracles'... or 'snake oils', from my analysis of many(not just hoof specific supps), they are often far from what they claim. *However as domestic horse's diets are almost invariably deficient/imbalanced in a range of essential nutrients, I do think that *appropriate* supplementation to provide well balanced nutrition is important.

Here is an online article giving some more info on nutrition as it relates to hooves. Caring for horse hoof

Oh and Holly, while your treatment may have made a positive difference, don't discount other factors, namely a good farrier, good management & environment & healthy diet.... & time

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That looks like a plain ol pasture trim. Bars are still excessively long and equal with the outer wall it appears as well as still laid over the sole begging to bruise and form an abscess. The toe has been thinned and rasped flat as if the horse were to be shod. Im not impressed.

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^While it's obvious the bars have been left way long, I agree the other points are *possible* but I don't like to assume definites from just this one pic. Need some diff angles OP if you would like a critique(see link below). As said, *if* toe sole has been rasped, I would also not be impressed at all, but have seen pics like this where the flat toe sole just looked like that from standing on concrete & hadn't been pared/rasped at all.
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Oh and Holly, while your treatment may have made a positive difference, don't discount other factors, namely a good farrier, good management & environment & healthy diet.... & time
Oh absolutely, I love my farrier. People don't always like him because he's "a race horse farrier" but in the 5 years he has been brilliant, always letting me know when he's due down (he lives 6 hours away now!) always fixing problems and showing and telling me whats going on and what he's doing etc.
-It's taken time to get my boys hooves as good as they are haha.

I just found that the iodine made his soles harder, and it seemed to help the exfoliating of the soles along with my brushing them.

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The best thing you can do is to educate YOURSELF on the basics of a hoof trim. There are lots of videos on youtube, for example

You need to familiarize yourself with hoof anatomy and the how/why of a good trim. Then you can ask questions of your farrier and better understand his rationale. Remember, horses don't have owners, they have "staff". Your farrier is an important staff member for your pony's health; if you're not happy with a staff member, fire them and find another. Your pony deserves the very best! No hoof, no horse!!
Good luck :)
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