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        03-04-2014, 08:52 PM
      #11
    Yearling
    Given the long and painful (for the horses) history of gaited horse shoeing practices I think this is as good a place as any for the article.

    G.
         
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        03-05-2014, 04:22 AM
      #12
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Guilherme    
    Given the long and painful (for the horses) history of gaited horse shoeing practices I think this is as good a place as any for the article.

    G.
    As it really is an article about barefoot vers being shod, I will move it t hoofcare
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        03-05-2014, 09:41 AM
      #13
    Trained
    "That is why you need the services of a well trained and experienced professional farrier to help you decide what is best for your equine companionís welfare."

    Must be nice to live somewhere were these folks are readily available...

    Far too many horses are both barefoot & healthy for this to be a good article - and yes, good has a meaning, otherwise all hooves would be 'good' hooves. For a factual article, good includes some connection to the real world. This article does not match the world I see around me, either in terms of the availability of good farriers or the effects of not shoeing a horse.
         
        03-05-2014, 09:45 AM
      #14
    Foal
    I've never understood why some people are so insistent on barefoot. Some horses need shoes, some don't. My Icelandic has never had shoes and we ride on hard, rocky ground. He's never drifted to the side of the trails or shown any signs of discomfort. The moment he does he's getting shoes.
         
        03-05-2014, 10:15 AM
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    Originally Posted by Malda    
    I've never understood why some people are so insistent on barefoot. Some horses need shoes, some don't. My Icelandic has never had shoes and we ride on hard, rocky ground. He's never drifted to the side of the trails or shown any signs of discomfort. The moment he does he's getting shoes.
    Sometimes it is those that have had shod horses go lame, exhausted all the remedial shoeing routes and been left with a horse facing the bullet that often and then have success through going barefoot that become insistent about going barefoot. I am not insistent about being barefoot for others as many owners do not want to provide what is necessary to do it, but if my horse shows signs of discomfort it won't be first shoes that I will turn to as a remedy as they will mostly likely cover up what ever the problem is and if it is just over wear then I'd boot. A few horses need shoes but I believe not as many as actually use them.
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        03-06-2014, 03:59 PM
      #16
    Banned
    I missed your thread and have just now read it G.
    Good artikle of Butle,r a well known and respekted Farrier whom some of us have heard about even here in Sweden.

    Though this is the first time I have read the artikle he states pretty much what I have been saying here this last week.
    He talked of Responsability "Primum non nocere" Do no harm".
    What he did not mention (which I did to members here) was Accountability! Legal remenafacation such as Liability Law Suits. This can be because as the Trimming Fad gathers momentom the greater chance that something goes wrong and action is taken.
    From what I have heard ressantly there are cases pending and there will be some changes comming for the Trimming Enthusiest.

    Thank you for the artikle.
    Amigo Sweden
         
        03-06-2014, 09:26 PM
      #17
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Guilherme    
    That they tried and abandoned the "barefoot philosophy" to me speaks volumes.

    The article is "good" because it is well and cogently written. That it reflects, even strongly reflects, a bias does not make it less "good." Those who disagree with the author are free to find other sources more in line with their own views.

    His comments on "certification" are most appropriate.

    G.
    Why have people over the centuries(not just now & once a century ago, not just abandoned) 'tried' barefoot & other alternatives to conventional rims? If there weren't problems inherent in shoes, people wouldn't go searching. These days, there are also hoof boots & other alternatives to make shoeless more viable when a horse has a job to do.

    The problem is, the article *only* reflects the author's biasses & does not discuss the issues objectively. Does not even acknowledge that ill-educated farriers are rife too... You could swap the words barefoot & shoes here & the article would make just as much sense & be just as incorrectly 'slanted'.

    It's a pity that more good, well educated farriers can't seem to even contemplate having a rational discussion about the pros, cons & reasons for differences of opinion & philosophy. He is right that many owners are on the whole ignorant about hoof form & function, and just sledging the opposition is not helping people understand better & just comes across to many that the guy has no reasonable arguments to make.
         
        03-06-2014, 09:30 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Clava    
    To say it is some faddy experiment being repeated is frankly ridiculous,...
    Oh but Clava, it is a fad popularised recently by that new fangled guru Xenophon!
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        03-07-2014, 01:34 AM
      #19
    Trained
    A lot of very well successful armies rode/used barefoot horses, so I don't think it is "new", no.

    The article seems to discount the dollar adjusted value of well trained horses in the days before the auto when "well trained horses were plentiful" . Cars are more plentiful today, but they are not inexpensive and most owners do not just consider them disposable. While "heroic efforts" might not have been made to save them to the same degree as they are today, the author failed to define "heroic". I would say owners probably paid more attention to their horse's hooves "back then" on a consistent basis. Like I said, well trained horses were not inexpensive and they did know which end they pooped out of. Just saying.

    As far as yesteryear's trained farriers go, hmm. A lot of working ranches do not have farriers come out and shoe or trim their horses, they do it themselves and they are not necessarily "certified" farriers - but you could say they have "training", yes. I have had my horses shod and trimmed many times by the like, and none has ever had any sort of lameness issues. I imagine many also did it "themselves" over a hundred years ago, too. So, yes - training counts - absolutely, but "certified" or professional farriers weren't the only people competently trimming/shoeing horses up until "recent" history.

    I think somewhere buried in the article is the message that, in most areas, anyone can call themselves a "barefoot trimmer" and hang up a shingle, and that the best thing for a given horse at a given time may well be iron shoes. The former is hard to argue with, the latter is and has been debated. Nothing really "there-there". Oddly, they didn't mention the power of an x-ray, the widespread use of which came well after the auto. I mean, if you want to take the art out of accessing the health of a given hoof.
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        03-07-2014, 10:59 AM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Malda    
    I've never understood why some people are so insistent on barefoot. Some horses need shoes, some don't. My Icelandic has never had shoes and we ride on hard, rocky ground. He's never drifted to the side of the trails or shown any signs of discomfort. The moment he does he's getting shoes.
    I'm not insistent on going barefoot. I am not so foolish as to think every horse I own is capable of rock crusher hooves.

    I am no longer able to slide down river banks and dig up the other side, my youngest of four horses is 18 with serious insulin issues, the eldest will soon be 28.

    We are all retired so they are all barefoot and run 20+ acres of hills. All of them have hooves plenty healthy to hack a few sissy miles down the road, without issue. Why on earth would any of them need shoes, at this point?

    The insulin horse foundered pretty bad in 2012 (the horse the AFA farrier nearly destroyed). With some quality help from someone on this forum and stumbling across two brothers who are really good at their job, this horse rehabbed beyond my expectations, wearing nothing more than Boa boots and partial pads.

    Of the four, I have one who could go barefoot where most horses need shoes. Otherwise, were I still hard trail riding in places most people would pass out just looking, one or two of my horses would be wearing rim shoes with borium head nails.

    I was taught a "natural trim" way back in the early 1960's by my grandfather, before farriers found a short cut called "pasture trim" so they could hurry up and get on to the next money-making shoeing job

    Natural trim is far from new, albeit it has been expanded upon and improved.

    Like all things we have to pay for, not every barefoot trimmer is good and not all of them are ethical but, the above article IMHO paints an inaccurate dark and unfair picture of all of them
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