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Hair rubbed off on leg

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#1 ·
Not sure if hoof care is the correct place for this but since I'm wondering if the hoof is causing it I did put it here.

Any ideas on what cased this? He has not been hobbled.

It's the fact that hair is rubbed off on both legs that bothers me and makes me wonder.

 
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Dunno. Would that cause it? I've been riding him for about 8 months now and did not notice it before.

Is he catching himself with the boots? My mare does that every now and then, if its a persistent problem you could try fetlock or splint boots.
I wondered about that but I've been using the boots for a few months now. I guess it's a just keep an eye on it situation and see if it improves or gets worse.
 
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This is one of the things I was wondering about. Yes, I have noticed that both hinds point outward to a degree. Fronts are straight.

He has been wearing Renegades with the recently added GroundControl plastic horseshoes. It may be that the added weight, plus the already slightly wider width is causing him NOT to miss his other foot as he perhaps had in the past.

His hinds are getting much better and I've ridden him some without the boot and didn't notice any ouchies or going out of the way for softer lines. So I think I'll just ride without the rear boots and see how it goes.

It's not real bad and doesn't look to have ever been opened. Just looks like abrasion taking hair away.



Did he have this before or after you rode? That looks almost fungal, like ringworm.
I'm embarrassed that I can't answer you. It's been there a few days but I don't know when it started. I look him over pretty good but it may be that I've been so intent on his hoof/soles that I did not notice.

But I suspect hyper has it nailed.
 
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Wait, so does he have renegades on over the ground control shoes? or vice versa?

Why both?

If he has both and they're wider than his normal hoof would be that could be the issue.

My mare used to clip herself on her hinds with her Easyboot Gloves. She's an Arab and they tend to toe out in back. Then she also tends to over reach and was knocking her fronts. I bought splint boots for her fronts and fetlock boots for her backs....now she's not clipping at all... *sigh*. Well at least I have the boots available just in case...
 
#10 ·
One pair of Renegades were about worn out on the sole so I decided to try "shoeing" them with Ground Controls. The Ground Controls are no wider that the boot. But the boot is a little taller and heavier so the extra weight may be causing the "wing swing" to take a deeper arc. I'm going to put some tape on his hocks in that spot and try him with and without the boots in a trot to check for hitting.

When I Googled for horse hoof winging out I read a lot of information on conformation.

How is the breakover on the fronts of your horse? It's my understanding that a late breakover on the fronts can also cause forging (back hitting front-I just learned that term when I Googled winging out horse)
 
#12 ·
I wonder if she's toe dragging or toe first landings? Have you done a slow motion video study or maybe you can see the hinds dragging?

Toe first landings will also wear a hole it the front of a boot. Pads in the boot can change a toe first landing to a heel first landing.

I just did experiment with this. Works!

http://www.horseforum.com/hoof-care/heel-first-landings-509826/
 
#13 ·
Nope. Hondo is NOT hitting his hinds together. Made a slow motion video. First two passes are walking, next two are trotting. His hinds are not even coming close.

So I put white tape on both of the partially bare spots. Rode him barefoot and with all four boots. Tape stayed on with not a mark on it.

So I'm happy that I can continue using boots on the hinds when doing the rough rocky stuff.

I did learn about the winging in and winging out and a bunch of other stuff. For that I'm also happy.



 
#17 ·
Love your follow-through! Do some research on neck thread worms, even if you have been told they are not a problem in your area. A lot of times that mid-line dermatitis is a classic symptom of NTW. Is it still buggy where you are? Keep any spots clean, coated with zinc oxide diaper rash ointment or Swat fly repellant, and spray-on insect repellant.

Then, if you suspect NTW after researching, get him treated. Dealt with this at my last home after the vet said it was impossible. Not impossible, as it turns out. I will see if I can find you some key links.
 
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Thanks greenhaven. You've now sent me off on another tangent. And an important one at that.

I had read some about neck threadworms in the past but when Hondo had a fecal exam and went on Panacur 5 Day Powerpac I somehow mistakenly got the idea into my head that threadworms were also treated by Panacur and that the follow up fecal test showed all clear on everything.

And as you know, and as I now know, that is completely wrong as the neckworms never enter the digestive system and do not show up and Panacur does not affect them, according to the manufacturer's label.

I'm still reading on this to layout my plan of attack for control of the problem. Part of it has been done already in the use of an equine pour on that is supposed to control midges and mites. Did that at the end of last season and will repeat.

And I'll read more about control of the already present itching. One person uses a mixture of diaper rash cream, hemorrhoid cream, and stuff for poison ivy. Benadryl.

But I'll check with my vet for recommendations on itching first. And for treatment/control of the threadworms and microfilia.

I scratch Hondo's belly very often and he rolls his head around much as shown in the video on your link. During the summer I was considering sweet itch also but as there is not that much change now in the winter things are pointing heavily toward neck threadworms for certain. Particularly since estimates are that 80% of adult horses have them.

This has been bothering the dickens out of Hondo and what bothers Hondo bothers me. Your posts have pointed me back on the path that had been left and it as appearing to be the correct path.

Four pre-teen grand-kinds have been leveraging my time for the last few days but should be able to devote full time back to Hondo in a few days.

Grand-kids have never been around horses. Guess what we've been doing?

Harold

Edit: PS: Have not received your pm........
 
#21 ·
Yet another follow up. This is in hoof care but as it turns out it should have been somewhere else.

Anyhow, I bought three types of itch relief when I went to town and decided to try them one at a time. Cortizone-10 has done the trick, for now at least. I absolutely could not make him swoon today. I think a spot or two may have felt good but not good enough to swoon or even stop eating.

I wanted to get the itching stooped before I 2x'd him with Ivermectin as that is supposed to make it worse for a while if it is Neck Threadworms. If he doesn't itch worse, I guess the conclusion will be that it was caused by something else. Or at least that's what I got out of the reading.

Time will tell...........
 
#22 ·
FWIW Udate: Hondo as been getting a plethora of goop on his belly every day and the worn spots on his rear legs is getting much better. So it does appear that the worn spots were from him scratching his belly. Surprised no one else has experienced the problem. He still itches some but it's under control enough that I can't make him swoon. Time for Ivermectin to see if it gets worse for a period.
 
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