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        05-21-2014, 12:17 AM
      #11
    Yearling
    I agree just wait it our for now and let her foot inflammation 'settle down' some. She has decent support in her heels and frog and decent breakover point.
    She is walking like she still has active laminitis, and her neck is huge, (even for a draft) what all is being done so far to manage that? It could just be that, not the trim.
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        05-21-2014, 01:15 AM
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    I agree just wait it our for now and let her foot inflammation 'settle down' some. She has decent support in her heels and frog and decent breakover point.
    She is walking like she still has active laminitis, and her neck is huge, (even for a draft) what all is being done so far to manage that? It could just be that, not the trim.
    She has had a huge neck since I adopted her three years ago. She is fed bermuda grass hay in freedom feeder nets and has a low sugar/carb diet of only timothy pellets and her Uckele custom made vit/mineral supplement that was made from her hay being tested. She gets extra vit e and salt as well. She is EPSM Type 1 positive.

    The flare in her hoof is half way down her hoof now, since her shoes were pulled in Nov. It seems that the new growth is growing out straight so far.

    I'll let her hooves rest a bit and go from there. I'm not sure what else I can do????
         
        05-21-2014, 02:36 AM
      #13
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    The heel first landing seems to be more apparent in draft breeds.
    Z, half draft, has a marked heel first landing. Not soreness, just his way of going, shod or barefoot.
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        05-22-2014, 01:15 PM
      #14
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Patty Stiller    
    A SLIGHT heel first landing is normal and desireable.You should barely be able to see a little "air" under the toe at the last second of the landing if You are standing in front of the horse as she is walked freely toward you.

    However if she is 'slapping' the heels down hard, it is usually a sign that either the horse is protecting the sore toes, or the heels are too tall.
    That's a great explanation and I get it but, when you have some free time (right) can you or one of the other professional trimmers find a video that demonstrates healthy heel first landing?

    Maybe that would help the folks who are curious and/or need to know.

    I am lousy at explaining things but, to add to your "a little under under the toe", a healthy hoof seems to almost "float" to the ground, while slightly lifting the toe.

    Almost Arab fashion for those who know what the "Arab Float" is but nothing near as elegant
         
        05-22-2014, 06:18 PM
      #15
    Yearling
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    At 6 minutes 30 seconds inti the video the discussion goes in to real time video with good close ups of the fett landing toe first vs heel first. You would normally want no more amount of heel first than is shown in the grey horse in the video.Even a little less of OK or flat to slightly heel first every couple strides. As long as it is not TOE first you are fine.
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        05-22-2014, 06:23 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Interesting thread... Subbing. I hope your mare is doing well, OP (:
         
        05-22-2014, 06:49 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    Cast her? Didnt you cast her once before? Or boot her with padding? Id say you will never get these feet 100%. Have you X rayed her? Does she have significant bone loss at the tip of P3? I forget all her history atm but I remember looking at her before and thinking she looks like my aunts ancient percheron who is missing a great deal of P3 from long term laminitus and improper trimming over the years. I don't think her foot looks overtrimmed per say, just very weak, possibly missing bone/pedal osteitis with a whole lot of horse above it.
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        05-23-2014, 12:15 AM
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    NBHCC #6 - Toe-First vs. Heel-First - YouTube''

    At 6 minutes 30 seconds inti the video the discussion goes in to real time video with good close ups of the fett landing toe first vs heel first. You would normally want no more amount of heel first than is shown in the grey horse in the video.Even a little less of OK or flat to slightly heel first every couple strides. As long as it is not TOE first you are fine.
    Thank you for that PS! I am wondering...why is it better to just do a rocker at that toe mapping point, rather than bring the toe back? What makes them sore? Wouldn't there still be pressure on the flared wall, even with the rockered toe?
         
        05-23-2014, 12:28 AM
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    Cast her? Didnt you cast her once before? Or boot her with padding? Id say you will never get these feet 100%. Have you X rayed her? Does she have significant bone loss at the tip of P3? I forget all her history atm but I remember looking at her before and thinking she looks like my aunts ancient percheron who is missing a great deal of P3 from long term laminitus and improper trimming over the years. I don't think her foot looks overtrimmed per say, just very weak, possibly missing bone/pedal osteitis with a whole lot of horse above it.
    Thanks for posting Trinity! Yes, lots of bad history for this mare. I did cast her a few weeks ago, didn't last too long, and didn't have extra....now I do, but haven't casted her again. I have boots for her and have her wear them when she is out of her paddock. I left them on her over night last night since I knew she would be turned out to the pasture by the ranch owners today and walking on the gravel to get there would be painful.....when I went out to the ranch, the boots were off and the pad was half sticking out of them etc....so I'm thinking they ended up half off or something. I didn't re-cast since the last time because I wasn't sure if I would need to do more trimming or not. But I may go ahead and do it this weekend. It's very hard for her to hold her feet up. I have to hold them in my hands.

    I had her one foot x-rayed not too long ago when she abscessed. It did show bone deterioration and chips....and that was the hind. The x-ray from years ago, of her front hoof that cracked to her coronary band when I adopted her, then showed bone deterioration too. This mare could have been a laminitic mess or founder case in the past...I just don't know before I adopted her.

    She was more comfortable in shoes. But her feet began to get way in front of her over time. Plus, being shod isn't an option now, with her having such a hard time holding them up. Plus she is so scared of farrier tools now...even when I do them.

    I have noticed though, that the new growth continues to grow straight, so far anyway. I am wanting to keep it up to continue this to see whether or not there is a point where she has permanent damage and separation. Only time will tell as it grows out. We are about half way there.

    Today her front frogs peeled off almost all the way to the heel. The frog is pretty much flush with the sole, except where it hasn't come off yet. I trimmed the flap that was already coming off.

    So, I guess I will cast her again and keep her as comfortable as I can and wait for more hoof to grow out? I'm guessing maybe for 4 weeks?....if the casts stay on that long...she is very heavy on her feet.
         
        05-23-2014, 12:37 AM
      #20
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    Here is an old thread that shows a lot of old pictures of Belle.

    hoof flare/WLD/seedy toe??????
         

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