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        05-23-2014, 01:56 AM
      #21
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    Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    
    Thank you for that PS! I am wondering...why is it better to just do a rocker at that toe mapping point, rather than bring the toe back? What makes them sore? Wouldn't there still be pressure on the flared wall, even with the rockered toe?
    I found this shorty, if I can get in down loaded, you can compare the loading process of the limb too Ovenicks diagram.

    Toe first - heel forst has nothing to do with navilacur disiese.
         
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        05-23-2014, 04:01 AM
      #22
    Trained
    There is a lot of evidence to suggest that it is likely a factor Amigo, not to mention other things aside from 'navicular' that it effects. How about telling us why you're asserting otherwise??
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        05-23-2014, 08:23 AM
      #23
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    Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    
    Wow, just read this.....

    The Myth of the Heel-First Landing – Part 2 — Enlightened Equine

    So, heel first, is not necessarily a goal.....
    I'm glad you found this. I was just about to post the link. This is my trimmer and I've learned a lot from him. Now if he would just get back from Spain so he could trim the horses.....
         
        05-23-2014, 08:24 AM
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    I'm not up for a shoe vs barefoot debate. I don't think it's fair to compare side by sides of a shod/unshod foot either. If you have a barefoot horse who walks fine and then shoe him, the horse still would walk the same, unless something major went wrong, because there is muscle memory perhaps? Being shod is not even an option for my horse. Her feet were moving waaaaay in front of her and stretching out and she is very nervous around the farrier and she is very large. Could it be because she is in pain? Absolutely. If only the horse could tell us.

    I am simply seeking the best way to try and get my horse as comfortable as possible in her life. I have to trim her myself. Farriers won't touch her, and if one would, she is scared of them.
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        05-23-2014, 10:34 AM
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    I'm not up for a shoe vs barefoot debate. I don't think it's fair to compare side by sides of a shod/unshod foot either. If you have a barefoot horse who walks fine and then shoe him, the horse still would walk the same, unless something major went wrong, because there is muscle memory perhaps? Being shod is not even an option for my horse. Her feet were moving waaaaay in front of her and stretching out and she is very nervous around the farrier and she is very large. Could it be because she is in pain? Absolutely. If only the horse could tell us.

    I am simply seeking the best way to try and get my horse as comfortable as possible in her life. I have to trim her myself. Farriers won't touch her, and if one would, she is scared of them.
    Wow, you really miss the Point! I said "compare this to Ovenicks diagrams of the workings of the legs". Nothing to do with shoes v no shoes or navicular disiese---toe first - heel first.
    Your horse may very well have navi troubles, at that age and a sway back I would not be surprised. There´s probably a lot of things going on there.
    The horse is in pain.
    I can understand shoers won´t come out and I suspect they and several vets have told you what has too be done.
         
        05-23-2014, 05:17 PM
      #26
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    Wow, you really miss the Point! I said "compare this to Ovenicks diagrams of the workings of the legs". Nothing to do with shoes v no shoes or navicular disiese---toe first - heel first.
    Your horse may very well have navi troubles, at that age and a sway back I would not be surprised. There´s probably a lot of things going on there.
    The horse is in pain.
    I can understand shoers won´t come out and I suspect they and several vets have told you what has too be done.
    Her horse has a history of founder/ laminitis issues, not navicular. And horses with navicular pain land TOE first. Also in the other video you found, both shod and unshod show a heel first landing, so what is the point of that video?

    AND given that a LOT of researchers (NOT Ovnicek..but rather veterinary scientists) have shown the clear correlation of a toe first landing and it's impact of the short pastern bone slamming onto the top of the navicular bone) ,I think there is enough data from various researchers around the world looking at various parts of this puzzle is certainly strong enough to put together and say there is a correlation .

    So if you believe a toe first landing has nothing to do with navicular, please state exactly why it is not a factor, in terms of what happens onside the foot when it lands that way. Explain to me what happens inside the foot when the foot lands toe first and why it is that is NOT affecting the navicular bone negatively.

    Frankly Amigoboy I feel that you are going to automatically dispute ANYTHING that is put out to the world by Gene, the ELPO ,or any barefoot trimmer or any researcher that disputes the old stuff you and I were taught.
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        05-23-2014, 05:24 PM
      #27
    Yearling
    PS... Amigoboy the only reason I posted the video from Gene was because the someone wanted a video of toe first vs heel first so see what it looks like. The camera work and the diagrams are so good that I use it because of that. The added fact that the landing has something to do with navicular is irrelevant in THIS thread. Perhaps another thread, someday.
         
        05-23-2014, 05:29 PM
      #28
    Yearling
    I have been able to keep casting on longer by using Vettec's adhere on the outer toes to keep the cast stuck on longer for horses who walk out of them. Also, you could use adhere or quick fast to make a horseshoe shaped wear pattern on the bottom of the cast and give it more wear material.
         
        05-24-2014, 12:22 AM
      #29
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    Thanks Trinity....I'm going to try it this weekend. I will also be calling out the vet for a lameness check, since she may have other issues besides her feet going on. Maybe order some xrays...we will see.
         
        05-24-2014, 03:01 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    X-rays would be a good idea as of they have not been done in a while. It will give you an idea of the current health of the coffin bones, and how they are currently positioned inside the foot (sole thickness, angle of bone in relation to the front hoof wall etc) Ask the vet to place markers on the front wall with the top of the wire or whatever EXACTLY at the lowest row of hair follicles on the hairline so you can determine if or how much the bones are sunk.
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