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  • Will tildren help a horse with naviculat cysts
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    11-26-2013, 11:24 AM
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Foal
HELP Expert advice - navicular cysts, osteophytes RTG X-rays

Hello,

These are rtgs of my 5-year-old gelding taken today. He is lame. Is there anyone good at reading x-rays? The vets found cysts on his navicular bone (left front leg) and his trot improved 70% after local anaesthetic had been used. The osteophytes on his coffin and pastern bone seem to be inborn as they occur on both legs and most probably they don't cause the lameness.

Both vets said that the prognosis is uncertain or guarded to sad. However, the second vet was at least more "optimistic" as far as using Tildren as a "who knows?" cure is concerned. The first vet told me that people usually get rid of such horses and buy new ones. I don't want to give up on this horse. He is my friend and I feel responsible for him.

Any pieces of advice would be appreciated.

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Right

LEFT - the vet said it is not a good photo

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LEFT - skyline view

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Kind regards,
Monika
     
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    11-26-2013, 12:40 PM
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I would be curious to see the cysts marked. I cannot see them. I don't know how to read a radiogram. But, this looks rather normal to me.
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    11-26-2013, 01:45 PM
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Foal
Here are the changes in navicular bone marked:



When I touched his fetlock I could feel it was warm and when I pressed it he flinched or changed his leg's position. But maybe because he has got pain there.
     
    11-26-2013, 06:15 PM
  #4
Trained
Just looked up Tildren, it sounds very promising, but it will take time to work. In the meantime I would still look into the barefoot approach for navicular problems and, as Bondre stated in your other thread, really look to learn it myself, especially in your situation with shortage of farriers. And not only that. I could imagine that he will not appreciate having shoes nailed on, since he is in pain already. Another, rather nice, side effect of doing your own hooves..... it will create an even stronger bond between the two of you.
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    11-26-2013, 06:16 PM
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Yearling
Interesting. I can say that the horse's angles look to be too low. The coffin bone should be at a 5+ degree angle, not parallel to the hoof bottom. That in itself could very well help with soundness. It may be the angle that's also causing extra stress on the navicular bone that the horse doesn't need. On top of the problem you're having.
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    11-27-2013, 07:59 AM
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Foal
I am a kind of a perfectionist. If I can't do something in a proper way, I don't do it. I wouldn't like to TRY on my poor boy because I am afraid of making the condition even worse. There is a farrier who might help or at least visit him on regular basis. I will show him the x-rays.
Do you know how can I help my horse move in a correct way? His left front hoof usually toe-lands first which rarely happens with his right front.
     
    11-27-2013, 08:16 AM
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He is moving poorly because of pain and poorly done feet. Other than addressing those, there is little to be done. If you have bought this 4 year old, please make sure you line a very skilled Farrier up and expect to see him every 6 weeks. To do anything less would be an unkindness to the horse. As he is in enough pain to be lame on a straight line (per your other post) I would definitely consider joint supplements, natural anti inflammatories, and probably bute as well. Getting his sore back checked would be good, but that may stem, in part, from muscle strain/pain/imbalance from compensating for painful feet, so I wouldn't necessarily expect resolution there until his feet are well addressed.
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    11-27-2013, 08:25 AM
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Foal
On Monday or Tuesday, he is going to get Tildren. I am going to buy Cortaflex products too: Glucosamine and msm. I will keep him barefoot to let his feet work. When stalled overnight, I will put on magnetic hoof boots to stimulate the blood circulation. I thought of calling the farrier every 4-5 weeks because his hooves grow quite fast. He will just move around with other horses during the day and I will take him for a walk in hand to a forest.

PS. I bought him when he was 3 :)
     
    11-27-2013, 09:38 AM
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Trained
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Originally Posted by m00nisek    
I am a kind of a perfectionist. If I can't do something in a proper way, I don't do it. I wouldn't like to TRY on my poor boy because I am afraid of making the condition even worse. There is a farrier who might help or at least visit him on regular basis. I will show him the x-rays.
Do you know how can I help my horse move in a correct way? His left front hoof usually toe-lands first which rarely happens with his right front.
At least read all you can about it, so you develop an eye for what is right and what is wrong. You already noticed he is landing toe first on one, but not the other.
You WILL grow into this, I promise
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    11-27-2013, 06:56 PM
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Yearling
If the angle of the hoof is too low, the ligament that goes over the navicular bone is even tighter and can damage the navicular bone. A higher angle would relieve some of that pressure.
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