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        07-19-2013, 04:23 PM
      #21
    Super Moderator
    Thanks again, all, and sorry for the lack of update. All opinions are very appreciated and I continue educating myself with all good sources I can find. The Strasser trimmer I mentioned declined her service, as she already is fully booked, and she didn't want to analyze the work of another trimmer, but that's ok, because my previous trimmer agreed to come tomorrow to take a look and teach me the basics I should know about bringing his hooves to a better condition. I'll try to take some photos of our progress tomorrow.
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        07-20-2013, 12:36 PM
      #22
    Trained
    I am glad you will post updates. Subbing to see his progress. In the mean time, I'd be thankful for that gorgeous tail! ;)
         
        07-20-2013, 01:17 PM
      #23
    Yearling
    Subbing!
         
        07-21-2013, 06:49 PM
      #24
    Super Moderator
    An update. This is my first full trim (not just rasping), although I managed to do just the front legs (hinds coming next week) and was helped by the trimmer who visited us for assistance. I am now to keep up every week or even more often, lowering the heels, getting rid of the bars and shortening the toes, so that the hooves can make some progress at last, but this is all that could be done over two days, as at times the sole already started to bleed. I know the trim is a bit rough, but I'm really a beginner right now.

    Front left:







    Front right:

    (I'm now seeing how this picture is a faulty one, made it too crooked to one side)









         
        07-21-2013, 07:39 PM
      #25
    Banned
    Looks like you did a pretty good job for first trim gotta start some where. Don't take to much sole out only what is shedding...i trim my own now and hardly ever touch the sole only what wants to come out and no more. Bars are what I keep trimmed down and frog if it gets tattered and peeling.

    Gets easier to do after you get use to trimming you also get a little faster too. My horses have learned alot of patiences since I started trimming them. I work on my horses every 2 weeks or so that way don't have alot to do in one time.

    My gelding had long under run heels when I started I took about a 1/4 inch off his heels every week. Now I have them back where they belong.

    Looks like your horse still has flarring going on on left front other pics wouldnt down load it my stupid computer. Toes still a bit long to.
         
        07-21-2013, 08:56 PM
      #26
    Trained
    That is quite nice for your first go. Just constructive criticism, and jmo - I wouldn't have dropped the heels that far above the frog.
         
        07-22-2013, 06:18 PM
      #27
    Foal
    Hi!

    I am trying to be helpful and constructive in telling what I see on these feet.

    The whole hoof is over-trimmed, IMO. The heels are much too short. Due to this fact, the toe dishes out in this flare. The toe is mainly too long in relation to the low heels. If the heels would have the adequate height, the toe would not be dragged forward with ever step, and the dorsal wall would not dish out.

    At any rate, there is nothing that can be trimmed off this foot at the moment. IMO, these feet need at least 6 weeks of growth time. Then, it can slightly be corrected, most likely all that would need doing at that stage is beveling the toe, so that the dorsal wall stops pulling on the coffin bone.

    The sole is very thin. There is no concavity in the front part of the hoof. This is most likely because the coffin bone presses on that thin sole and the thin sole can't withstand it. I honestly cannot imagine that this horse can walk anywhere but the softest of all surfaces. If it does, I would not take it as a sign that your trim is ok, but that the horse still has some protective sole (though if you keep hitting blood I doubt that there is much sole left). However, if you keep doing as you are, taking sole off at a weekly or bi-weekly interval, in a couple of month your horse will not be able to walk any longer. This is the general outcome of horses that are trimmed by a Strasser-type trimmer. Your trim reminds me very much of a Strasser trim, which trims to external parameters, but not to the needs of the hoof of a given horse. You cannot remedy a thin sole/no concavity problem with thinning the sole more! The hoof needs to grow concavity and it will, if the sole is not constantly "invaded" by a hoof knife.

    The bars also have a function. They support the back of the foot. The health and strength of the back of the foot is the most important parameter for a sound barefoot horse. Heels, bars, frog and digital cushion all work in concert. In your case, heels and bars have no more (or not much) function, as they are overly short.


    Here are a couple of suggestions.

    - Consider joining Hoofhelponline (for a few months).
    - learn how to read the hoof by studying the articles on Maureen's website:
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    - read Pete Ramey's articles online

    Never trim more than every 4 weeks (in general, exceptions being sever founders etc).

    Remember, nobody has all the answers, and every horse is an individual, that requires its owner's to critically think and listen to the horse.

    I think you are very lucky. Your horse seems to have good quality feet, straight bars, healthy frog. All it needs now is some hoof mass, so the whole foot becomes more stable and you can start working on shortening the toe.
         
        07-22-2013, 06:51 PM
      #28
    Banned
    Horselover1 the heels are suposed to be back to widest part of frog so have no clue were you get there to short. And you can do them more then every 4 weeks I know because I do my own horses in two weeks time they have enough to trim.

    That horse has hoof left to trim yet so. Part of what you said is right but part is wrong.
         
        07-22-2013, 09:01 PM
      #29
    Foal
    It is all a matter of the whole foot being in balance, medial-lateral and dorso-ventral. This severe dorsal wall flare IMO stems from the too low heel FOR THAT HORSE. Of course one could try and shorten the toe even more, but if blood is flowing already now, this would not be possible.

    Hooves don't need to be trimmed to certain parameters, (i.e. "heels need to be trimmed to the widest part of the frog") but to achieve overall balance AND soundness.

    Just my opinion. Pictures can be difficult to interpret and we can't see how that horse moves after the trim.
         
        07-22-2013, 10:05 PM
      #30
    Banned
    Horselover1 go do some reading on Bare Foot Horse. Iv dealt with long toes under run heels and flares all fixed with proper trims. Hoofs are balanced and heels are to widest part of frog. Heels left to long cause issues in them selfs oh I know all to well about under run heels.
         

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