Help me plan for next Thurs. farrier visit

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    01-14-2013, 10:27 PM
Help me plan for next Thurs. farrier visit

Hi all,
I'm having two problems with my mare, I think they are probably related. Would love people's opinions to help me strategize and make the best use of my farrier's time when he comes to visit next Thursday (1/24).

I took a lot of pictures, so I'm going to describe both problems here, then will post the pictures in two sets. I won't post all the pictures I have, but will try to post the most representative ones. I can post or get more pics if helpful though.

Problem #1- Farrier requested we move to an 8-week trim schedule for the winter. After the first time through this cycle, it is definitely NOT working for my mare. As you will see below, her fronts have worn into a terrible square toe, and she's obviously too long all around. This should be easy to address with him- I will request we go back to 5-6 weeks. He wanted to keep everyone at the barn on the same schedule, and while I appreciate sharing the farm visit fee with everyone, it's not worth the $15 to have her looking this bad. So- I hope we can address this problem pretty easily, but would love tips on what I should look for after this trim, since I have never seen her feet so neglected looking.

Problem #2- Bad thrush in right hind. Her frog is nasty and squishy, and her heels are shredded. I have been treating for about two months (it was heading in this direction last time farrier saw her, but has worsened). I have tried thrushbuster, No Thrush (the dry treatment), and am now using the Pete's Goo. She is picked every day, and rinsed out with soapy water before applying any thrush treatment.

I might be wrong, but I'm thinking that because she is so unbalanced all around, the frog is not making proper contact with the ground, and that is exacerbating the problem.

Pictures of both problems to follow.
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    01-14-2013, 10:32 PM
#1 Is your farrier being Lazy? You might ask yourself that !
Im wondering why they would be square..waiting for pics.
    01-14-2013, 10:35 PM
Problem #1- Pictures as follows:
Right hind- head on (clearly shows chipping, this is the front with the biggest chipping)
Right hind- outer view
Right hind- inner view (shows chipping)
Right hind- rear view
Right hind- sole (will post more of these below with the thrush situation)

Right front- head on (looks clubby- yuck! I have never thought of her as club-footed)
Right front- outer
Right front- inner
Right front- sole (can see the straight-across wear line across the front)

I won't post the other feet, as that feels like far too many pictures and the left side is a similar story, but I do have them. I did try to follow Loosie's advice on the angles, but don't love how they came out- I can try again!
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File Type: jpg Right hind- front.jpg (34.0 KB, 113 views)
File Type: jpg Right hind- outer.jpg (32.5 KB, 111 views)
File Type: jpg Right hind- inner.jpg (37.2 KB, 111 views)
File Type: jpg Right hind- back.jpg (30.9 KB, 111 views)
File Type: jpg Right hind- sole.jpg (43.6 KB, 110 views)
File Type: jpg Right front-head on.jpg (39.0 KB, 111 views)
File Type: jpg Right front-outer.jpg (36.3 KB, 109 views)
File Type: jpg Right front- inner.jpg (38.0 KB, 109 views)
File Type: jpg Right front- sole.jpg (33.2 KB, 112 views)
    01-14-2013, 10:40 PM
Problem #2- bad case of thrush in back hind.

I'm most concerned about what's going on with her heels- I've looked at a ton of pictures of thrush online while trying to treat, and I don't think I came across any heel bulbs that looked like this.
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File Type: jpg Right hind- heels.jpg (52.8 KB, 109 views)
File Type: jpg Right hind- bad heel bulbs.jpg (43.3 KB, 110 views)
    01-14-2013, 10:43 PM
Originally Posted by Spotted    
#1 Is your farrier being Lazy? You might ask yourself that !
Im wondering why they would be square..waiting for pics.
Spotted, I have had a good relationship with him and he is well respected in the community (doesn't everyone write that to defend their farrier? )

I will certainly be talking with him about the schedule, but this is the first time he's ever suggested going this long- his reasoning was that, in the winter growth slows, so their feet wouldn't need that frequency, but clearly that's not the case for my horse!
    01-14-2013, 11:00 PM
She really doesn't look that square. And thrust can often be taken care of at home with soaking and thrush buster.
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    01-14-2013, 11:05 PM
Not to freak you out. But your "bulbs" sort of look like this similar looking case of canker sores.

Which I have just learned about with horses. It comes from unsterilised tools that your farrier will use. Didn't see the second photos at first.
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    01-15-2013, 12:20 AM
That isnt canker. Not at all. Its thrush that has peeled the layers of the frog from the heel. Quite common. All the layers will continue to peel from the heel to the toe till it is gone and down to equal layers. Scrub clean with soapy water ( I like Plain ol Blue Dawn dishsoap in a spray bottle. No need to rinse away the soap) and pay attention to the creases. Trim away any flaps as it grows out and keep it exposed to air as possible. Treat with something like Durasole or thrushbuster to kill any nasties a couple times a week.

Overall they don't look that bad. 8 weeks is probably pushing it, but if this is 8 weeks out, it looks darn good. Show us right after a trim.
    01-15-2013, 08:11 AM
I agree that 8 weeks appears perhaps a tad long for her (I feel it is for the majority of horses at any time of year, so perhaps others would be open to 7 weeks??) but it looks OK & not really overgrown now - wish more people considered that sort of hoof looking due! I really wouldn't stress if it had to be 8 weeks.

Can't judge a job 8 weeks out, so I'll tell as I see it. Her heels look maybe a tad long & forward, which more frequent trimming could address. The flaring at the quarters I would suspect because the farrier is doing a flat trim. If he kept the quarters the same length as the heel & toe *in relation to the sole plane* and a strong bevel on the outside(until they're tight, then just a regular 'roll' of the outer walls), that would relieve them & allow them to grow down tight & straight. The toes are 'squaring' off because they're effectively giving themselves a 'mustang roll' at the point the horse breaks over. She is also likely landing toe first(more wear at toes, thrushy frogs).

The thrush(that's nothing like canker & unsterilised tools is not THE cause of canker...) I wouldn't attribute to trim cycle at all. Probably more about environment/weather & overall state of her feet(they don't look bad tho, just not optimum). Diet & nutrition also play a big role in susceptibility of infection. If that's a 'bad case', you lucky girl, that you're obviously not accustomed to seeing what I'd consider moderate! It is an issue though and I would soak the horse's feet in strong saline, &/or spray with eucalyptus oil or such, keep her on dry footing as much as possible and also the farrier will remove any daggy bits. *I think routine frog trimming is not a good move & can actually weaken the heels & encourage/allow thrush to take hold, but removing the dags & already infected tissue is a good thing.
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    01-15-2013, 08:15 AM
My farrier moves the horses trims further out in the winter. He said they don't grow as fast and he doesn't want to take my money needlessly. He is also my best friend's son and I do trust him.

Had a horse with thrush last year. Farrier told me bleach one time would take care of it. It did :)

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