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post #11 of 15 Old 01-15-2013, 09:00 AM Thread Starter
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OK, thanks all for weighing in. As usual, I found myself freaking out when maybe I shouldn't have (can you tell this is my first horse? ). That thrushy foot just looks so alarming to me, it's good to get some perspective. I have been scrubbing with soap and water daily, in addition to applying topical treatment, but it makes sense to me that if he trims off some of those flaps, it will be easier to treat directly, with fewer "nooks and crannies." We are in an unfortunate freeze/thaw cycle, which is unusual for our region this early in the winter, but I don't think that's helping. That said, I am somewhat confused about why just the one foot has been so susceptible, while the rest really aren't.

In terms of the trim, I'm actually really surprised to hear that everyone thinks she can make it 8 weeks, even if it's not optimal. When I saw those toes start to wear straight across, I was sure that meant she really couldn't go this long. I will ask him about the mustang roll approach and get his take on how it would work for my mare.

Will definitely post update pictures next week after her trim.

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post #12 of 15 Old 01-24-2013, 03:44 PM Thread Starter
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Back with after-trim pictures. And, I have to say, my farrier impressed me with his heartiness and ability to work on a barn full of horses when the temperature was hovering around 0 degrees F. I couldn't wait to get out of the cold, and my horse was the first one he was seeing today!!

Overall diagnosis was that she was a little long, but not excessively. The back right frog and cleft could be healthier, but the thrush is slowly receding (I'm liking the Pete's Goo!). Also, her feet are dry (linked to standing around in snow all day) and the soles were hard, hard, hard.

Order of pics (head on, outer, inner)- First four are right hind (the thrushy foot); last three are right front.

I am still learning about hoof shape, but does the right front look club footed? I don't know if it is just bad picture angles or what (I was losing feeling in my fingers and rushing to snap the pics and get my gloves back on!), but it doesn't look right to me. It didn't look strange in person, and he certainly didn't say anything about being concerned.

As always, looking forward to your expert opinions!
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Appears quite reasonable to me, from as much as can be told. Also us hoofcare professionals are much more comfortable in the cold than working in the heat... so long as we can keep from getting a chill in the back! Great that your horse has developed such hard, dry feet. Don't have much experience of snow where I'm from, so surprised to hear it dries them out!

I'll just point out what I see - green lines indicate where it appears the hoof *should* be if healthy, red lines indicate what appears wrong, blue lines show approx how I'd be trimming to facilitate growth of healthier form. *Pics/angles aren't the best for accuracy either, so take it as a rough idea only.

That back right looks like it has a 'broken back' hoof/pastern angle, seems this is likely due to stretched toes & 'under run' heels - they appear a bit longish but crushed forward. Hard to really tell with only that sole angle too. Possibly the heels could come down a smidge more, but if they're as run forward as it seems & it's not appropriate to lower them, 'bevelling' the heels at the ground surface will start to bring the bearing surface back and allow them to grow more upright. Ensuring the quarters are kept back to sole level, 'scooped' in relation to heel & toe, if/as necessary will be helpful, for the heels & also to relieve the excess stress which is causing the quarter flares. As will be keeping those bars down.

I'd bevel the walls from just inside where they 'should' be, such as it appears the farrier may have indeed done - hard to tell with those angles, so drew on your pics to point it out. This goes for both stretched toes and quarters.

Again hard to be accurate with that angle, but it does appear that front foot is a little 'clubby'. This just means that it's higher heeled than would be 'ideal' and often this just happens to one front foot - the other may be flatter. Also it's a matter of degrees and this doesn't look like anything at all major. *While I describe it as higher than 'ideal' that's not at all to say it 'should' be just cut down to match the other. It is usually a body/injury/postural thing & may well be 'right' for that particular horse. Whether that's the case or not, I think if it's going to change, it needs to do so with the help of a bodyworker or such, and done gradually. Too many ifs, buts maybes to go into there & couldn't say what may be best over the net anyway. So I'll just assume the heel height isn't/can't be changed.

So, as per the red line, this foot appears to have a bit of a 'broken forward' h/p angle due to the high heels. This can potentially be problematic due to the way the joints sit together and also that it means the toe of P3 will be pointing into the ground more and the rear of the foot may get too little stimulation/ground contact to be strong & prevent contraction. Protecting the toe sole and using a 'frog support' foam wedge or such, to give more support & stimulation to the recessed frog may therefore be helpful.

I would be careful to keep the toes backed/bevelled, well, to keep extra leverage forces from stretching/flaring them, and whether or not the heels need to remain high(in a 'clubby' or otherwise foot), IME the extra length shouldn't be carried through the quarters, so they need to be 'scooped' if/as necessary to keep them at sole level.
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post #14 of 15 Old 01-25-2013, 12:44 PM Thread Starter
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Loosie, thanks so much for taking the time to give such detailed feedback. The pictures will be helpful in talking with the farrier next time- am interested in his opinion.

You're right that the right front looks different than the left front. Will try for pics of the left front to show the difference. Interesting that the shape of the right front could be tied to body pain- my mare does see a chiro, and when the chiro was out around the holidays, there really wasn't much going on...a little discomfort in my mare's pelvis, and a prescription for a better saddle fit (which was done). She will be seen again in early April.

Off to read up on under-run heels...

(Side note- I tried so hard to follow the picture angle advice in that thread ;) Better keep my day job!)
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Originally Posted by egrogan View Post
The pictures will be helpful in talking with the farrier next time- am interested in his opinion.
Just be sure to tell him about my 'disclaimers' too, that I appreciate it's perhaps inaccurate ideas from a few pics, etc

Interesting that the shape of the right front could be tied to body pain
There are a range of possible reasons for 'clubby' feet, including heel pain or shoulder probs or such, but it could be as simple as that she's 'left handed' & generally grazes with that right foot back. What I was trying to point out is that it's generally not 'just' in the foot but is an 'upstairs' issue, so not a good move to even attempt to 'correct' the angle just with trimming(some farriers do this) without at very least considering & addressing any possible body issues that may be causing it.
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