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post #1 of 23 Old 02-18-2014, 08:20 AM Thread Starter
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How do I bring the heels back without causing too low of a heel?
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Good question. I see this happen a lot. What I do is back up the toe and level the heels. A backed up toe will allow the heels to come back further. There is a goal , but it's far worse IMO to sacrifice angle for heels coming back. It may have to be done over a few trimmings. But it's usually the toe that has run forward and bringing the heels forward. If you just keep that toe backing up, roll the edge well and level the heels, it will happen. Rolling the toe prevents the toe from eliminates torque that will continue to pull the hoof forward.
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Where the heels should be can become an obsession. :) My horses have really hard feet. The only part of their sole I can muster getting "out" is at the seat of corn and I only remove on occasion to let me know "how much" heel I can take off. Their frogs are a pretty good indicator of "how low" you can go, also. Unless, of course, for some reason the frog is so thick that it gives you a "false" idea.

But, as princess fluffy pointed out, you have to consider the balance of the "whole enchilada". You could, theoretically, get the heels to where they "belong", but have neglected to consider the toes. Not good. Often it takes working toward "optimum" for the whole hoof over many trims.

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Good question. I see this happen a lot. What I do is back up the toe and level the heels. A backed up toe will allow the heels to come back further. There is a goal , but it's far worse IMO to sacrifice angle for heels coming back. It may have to be done over a few trimmings. But it's usually the toe that has run forward and bringing the heels forward. If you just keep that toe backing up, roll the edge well and level the heels, it will happen. Rolling the toe prevents the toe from eliminates torque that will continue to pull the hoof forward.
Thanks for that info. I think my mare's heels were taken too low all at once after pulling shoes. It's good to know not to expect it all at once to keep perspective for future trims. Thanks!
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Where the heels should be can become an obsession. :) My horses have really hard feet. The only part of their sole I can muster getting "out" is at the seat of corn and I only remove on occasion to let me know "how much" heel I can take off. Their frogs are a pretty good indicator of "how low" you can go, also. Unless, of course, for some reason the frog is so thick that it gives you a "false" idea.

But, as princess fluffy pointed out, you have to consider the balance of the "whole enchilada". You could, theoretically, get the heels to where they "belong", but have neglected to consider the toes. Not good. Often it takes working toward "optimum" for the whole hoof over many trims.
Yes Missy, that was confusing to me at first with the frog, still is a little. When we started, frog was very thick, I guess from having shoes on. Now, after having a little rain after no rain for so long, they have shed waaaaaaay down. I think I peeled an inch thick worth off.
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That is right, you guys got rain! :) On the rare occasion that we get rain, I run out and do foot work! What a difference it makes!

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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That is right, you guys got rain! :) On the rare occasion that we get rain, I run out and do foot work! What a difference it makes!
Well.....I wouldn't call it 'rain'.....I would call it 'ground wetness'.....lol. We surely do need a lot more.
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If heels are underrun I do believe it's important to address this directly, not just with backing up long toes - tho I think this helps & is perhaps more important, depending on degree.

When heels can't be lowered but are forward, I will trim the heels on an angle which reflects the angle that the ground surface *should* be, in relation to P3. This usually means, with underrun heels, you're rasping on a 'bevel' to the current ground surface of the wall at the heel. That way, the bearing surface of the heels can be brought back without invading the sole or dropping the angle too much.
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It should not be a matter of how"Low" the heels are but rather a matter of how ":Back:the are the means where the very back of the heel end is relative to the back of the frog as you observe it from a view straight on to he SOLE. Perpendicular to the sole (not looking from the rear)

The reason is that club feet will have the higher heels naturally when they end t back far enough, while more normal or lower angled feet will have lower heels also when the ends are back far enough. Both are correct.

The way to understand it is to learn hoof mapping . Go to the Equine lameness Prevention Organization and the info is there. There are you tube videos on the subject as well . I recommend to Look ONLY at the ones posted by the ELPO that are demonstrated by Gene Ovnicek.
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