Hind Hoof Pics - Two Months Later

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    01-06-2012, 09:48 PM
Hind Hoof Pics - Two Months Later

So after much thought on the subject, I pulled my TB's hind shoes on 11/30/11. Just wanted to show you all our progress to date. In a nutshell, I cannot believe these are the same hooves. There has been so much growth and changes, it's stunning. The frogs look huge to me. He's good on most surfaces, still prefers the more soft/even stuff, but then I wasn't expecting this to be quick.

I am now regretting I didn't pull the fronts since the frogs on the front look like pinky fingers compared to the hinds. Now that I know how much his feet want to heal, I'm kicking myself for not having done this years sooner. His gaits are much better, particularly his trot which used to be crap. I'm trying to get some before and after video of his trot posted but are currently linear editing challenged.

Anyway, here's the pics. I can't figure out how to caption them. The top ones are today, the bottoms are 10/30/11. I can't seem to get them to show up in the correct orientation, so sorry. Rights are on the left and lefts are on the right.
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    01-06-2012, 09:51 PM
Really coming along nicely! It looks like he is callousing up really nice and gaining some concavity! Great signs.

Instead of pulling the fronts, maybe wait until he is fully acclimated on the hinds and then try the fronts. He looks like he's got good, solid feet.
    01-06-2012, 10:28 PM
Yeah, the big plan was to do the hinds this fall and the fronts next fall if the hinds take properly. Better slowly than not at all I guess.
    01-10-2012, 06:32 PM
From what can be seen in those pics, looking OK to me. Wow, that first pic is a very round foot - looks more like a front, or is it just the angle of the pic? It does appear the trimmer may be paring a lot more frog than necessary though. I generally don't touch frog at all, leave it to callous, except for daggy bits, such as is evident on the left, and opening up central sulcii if they're contracted crevices.
    01-10-2012, 06:37 PM
She hasn't been touching the frogs. The only thing she did in that area is trim the bars back a little which made a bit comfort difference for him. He is out 24/7 on varried terrain. Maybe that's making the frogs look like that?

I was very surprised by the roundness of them too. If I had pulled the shoes on the fronts, I would be wondering if I was posting a pic of the wrong foot.
    01-10-2012, 09:00 PM
LOL! You turned right upsidedown for that last pic, didn't you? Its this pic that I noticed the changes and includes the other one as well. Its what is going in his mouth at the other end that I'm worried about. The white line has lost integrity, changed to a darker color and is spreading, spells inflammation. Wondering about the sugar and starch he's eating. When you see changes like this, suspect the diet. The hay won't be doing it, but grass and bagged feeds with high nsc will. These can very well be the beginning signs of laminitis. The dark color and overall spreading are proof of changes in this direction. Torque helps this spreading caused by weakness in the white line and although I can see that the frog is now where it belongs, the breakover distance remains unchanged. I have a feeling that this isn't a barefoot trim, I don't see a bevel. The bevel will push the toe back with every step and shorten that distance. Now look at the toe and and see the divot in the sole. Same torque can do that as well. The long toe creates disorganized material for the extra baggage it is and when he breaks over on it, it pushes back into the hoof. If it bites back far enough, it will bite a furrowed tunnel down the face of P3's nose. Some horses are born with this shape to P3 and the sole mimics it, which means when the toe has arrived, that divot will still be there. It the toe arrives and has been a while with the long toe, the bone will be damaged and the sole will mimic it again. If it hasn't been awhile, then the bone is fine and when the toe has arrived, that divot will disappear. I would be putting a bevel on these hinds just like I would the fronts for the next 3-4 trims to get the toe back, get the torque off the toe and have a hard look at the diet.
I suspect the weather has been pretty wet lately as well. The frog has lost integrity and is splatting into the groove. Some dry time and treating for thrush would help.
Sorry, I didn't mean to burst any bubble, but the laminitis/IR/Cushings road is a very serious one and if I can give you a head's up on it, I'm glad to have helped.
Did the trimmer not mention anything about this to you?
    01-10-2012, 09:12 PM
Well this horse is eating free choice hay off a round bale. He grain is a quart of poulin senior and Omegatin twice daily. Not really high in any sugar/starch as far as I can tell. It hasn't been wet in awhile. I think tomorrow is our first bit of rain in almost 2 weeks. He's been standing pretty much on dry dirt.

Your insights are a bit over my head. I don't see the stretching or darkening white line that you speak of. His walls are beveled and there is a slight arch in the foot which I realize none of those pics show. They have only been trimmed twice since the shoes were pulled, and each time she backs up the toes to the white line. I don't know where the treating for thrush comment is coming from since those are bone dry frogs. Isn't thrush a wet hoof condition? If you could please elaborate on this white line stretching/darkening thing, I would appreciate it. I really don't see it. He's moving better than he ever has. I would think if he was on the verge of laminitis, he wouldn't be moving around so well.
    01-10-2012, 09:43 PM
By the way, the last two pics are the before pics. The top two are the recent pics. You are going by those first two pics and not last two, yes? I'll take some more tomorrow with more angles and a better pic of the white line.
    01-11-2012, 12:05 AM
Oh Good! I'm glad I got the befores and afters mixed up! Things have improved then. I'm sorry.
No, the frogs don't look like they've been touched, but they shouldn't be down in the groove either. Varied ground should make them bloom and be stronger. (again, the before pic) Thrush can happen in dry weather as well.
The white line is the darker ring around sole in the before picture. Compare it to the top one, nice and tight now. You'll see this start to happen after a couple of weeks on spring grass, or even in the fall. Both are dangerous times of the year and it doesn't take long. Just keep an eye out. If I saw this happening on my horse (and it does, despite my care) I would pull her off the grass immediately. I now buy hay for a full year, not just the winter and wish I didn't have to beware of the grass so much.
    01-11-2012, 02:09 AM
Great the frogs are no longer being carved. I presume that sculpted look is just left over then, from the previous farrier.

I suspect Missy has got the pics the wrong way round too, because I can't see any more evidence of lamellar stretching or such... not that the feet are clean enough to see... Mind you, of the previous pics, I'd say it could be diet related, &/or a bit of infection in the white line and unless it is minor infection &/or almost grown out there, it's not likely to be that different less than 2 months on. I don't believe you can really tell much about a mustang roll with a straight-on sole shot, but I'd be betting it's a reasonable one & that accounts for the hoof walls appearing tighter & neater. Keeping a goot 'roll' on them should keep them getting stronger.

Oh BTW, Missy, yes, you may well have to worry about hay too, not just grass/grain if you have an insulin resistant or Cushings horse - unfortunately while grass loses many nutrients when cut & stored, sugar is not one of them. That only gets used when the plant is actively growing, so it also depends when it's cut as to how rich. Basically, if the grass is 'improved' cattle fattening rich stuff, the hay will be too. That's why people with 'at risk' horses may need to soak their hay to leach out excess sugars, or ensure they're buying low NSC tested hay.

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