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    05-26-2014, 03:58 AM
  #11
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I see thrushes frogs, too. I don't see seperation of the white line in general, though . But the bars seem very run forward (not sure of the correct words). What dies this foot look like when on the ground, from the side? Just curious.
     
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    05-26-2014, 08:17 AM
  #12
Foal
So to heal the thrushy frog? Any suggestions? Sugadine?

I've been soaking in warm water with epsom salts and he doesn't seem lame anymore. But I still need to clear it up.

Vet is coming this week hopefully, waiting for them to get back to me.

I do have one poultice pad left, should I try that?
     
    05-26-2014, 08:28 AM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
I see thrushes frogs, too. I don't see seperation of the white line in general, though . But the bars seem very run forward (not sure of the correct words). What dies this foot look like when on the ground, from the side? Just curious.

The only pictures I have now.
diesel bucket.jpg
IMG_20140522_212650.jpg
     
    05-26-2014, 12:37 PM
  #14
Foal
This is from today. I think it looks better.?
IMG_20140526_121732.jpg
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    05-26-2014, 05:18 PM
  #15
Trained
I don't think it looks any different. Still in need of trim work - the weight needs to be taken off the wall where the hole is. The heels look too high, the bars over grown. The hole isn't going to go away until the pressure is taken off the wall.

You mention the vet coming - when is the farrier coming? And when was the last trim?
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    05-27-2014, 07:52 PM
  #16
Trained
Hiya & welcome,

Haven't read all replies. That's a spot of infection(seedy toe/WLD), that if not commented on/cut out properly by the farrier, *possibly* wasn't treated properly & you should also have been treating it topically until it grows out. As horse is obviously due for a trim, looks worse. Keeping him well & frequently enough trimmed to prevent that overgrowth will help it grow out.

So... good trimming, alleviating extra length/strain on toe wall, resecting(cutting out) the infected tissue as needed, keeping the hole as clean & dry as possible(I know, that can be a trick) and treating it topically with a broad spectrum antiseptic.
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    05-27-2014, 08:14 PM
  #17
Trained
Och! Didn't see second page before last reply. Just saw your last pic. It looks worse. When's the farrier booked?? His heels & bars are now a bit more overgrown & run forward, as are his toes. As there's more excess wall putting more strain on the hole area, and it will be deeper, it will also be hard to treat effectively with topicals - you can't dig all the necrotic stuff out adequately from underneath with a deep hole.

To give you an idea, pic attached shows roughly how I'd be trimming. I'd strongly bevel the toe wall from the blue line, along with digging out as much as necessary to get rid of/open the infection. While the heels have obviously been left too long for some time & run forward, so depends as to how much you can take them back immediately, I reckon taking them at least as far as the blue lines in one fell swoop is necessary to start a better ball rolling for him.
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    05-27-2014, 08:17 PM
  #18
Trained
Oh & stop soaking them - they're better kept dry, not waterlogged.
     
    05-28-2014, 12:08 AM
  #19
Foal
Look Loosie! Identical picture, lol!


It looks to me like the hoof came into the ground like a sliding stop, ran into something that sheered the white line back from the wall. (well, that doesn't sound like a heel first landing) Nothing looks to be compromised...no trauma, so I'm not 100% on this theory. I'm thinking nothing that a well placed/maintained bevel wouldn't allow to heal it. Such a perfect half moon that indicates a direction, so I looked behind it and found the long red line that is mapped as clear as day on the top of the frog. I contoured in the bars, so you could realize what such tall/chunks they are. If you look at the long red line where it starts on the top of the left bar, it jams down to the groove at the heel, then splats over to the other side of the frog, where the high bar chunk on that side dictates and sends the force over between 10-12 o'clock. The mechanism should go equally up both sides of the hoof and break over equally from 10-2 o'clock. The breakover has been forced to only one side because of the bars dictating. There is tremendous torque at the toe and one side is not meant to take it all.
It's also possible that this direction of breakover alone has caused this weird separation. A force that is hard enough/coming down from a high bar, could jump the white line and cause the separation between wall and white line instead, pushing the white line back, instead of stretching it. For every yin, there is a yang and for every directional pull, there is a bite back.
The heels themselves are well balanced, just shortened them a bit and there's beautiful concavity going on at the toe...just those huge bars dictating a wonky use to this foot. A good balanced trim and bars re-shaped/lowered and stay on top of it. Bars are hard and have to be/should be worn out. When they get like this, its from not enough movement and/or the farrier not recognizing it and dealing with it. I see a really nice hoof right around the corner after a good relieving, balanced trim and no more worries at the toe.
     
    05-28-2014, 12:31 AM
  #20
Foal
diesels hoof by missyclare, on Flickr

I'm having trouble getting a pic posted here, sorry.
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