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    06-10-2011, 06:57 AM
  #11
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Originally Posted by loosie    
The biggest question when choosing boots is the best fit for the horse in question, I reckon.
Our friends that use boots have found that the biggest difference between the major brands/models is how they fit on different hoof shapes, e.g. It seems that some boots models won't fit properly to horses with rounder hooves.
     
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    06-10-2011, 08:38 PM
  #12
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I would highly recommend boots! They have literally saved my mare's feet!

I have tried almost all the brands and done tooooons of research, spent alot of money and had to do alot of returns and exchanges and this is what I have experienced or heard from reliable sources (close friends)

Easyboot line:
Original easyboots ~ don't even bother they come off super easily
Epics ~ Have such a good reputation but are just the original easyboots with a gaiter attached *My mare destroyed them completely in 2 rides* and she almost completely bailed taking a nosedive *My friend's mare also destroyed them in 2 rides* and hers practically did a summersault. We both returned them for a full refund
Bares, Edges, gloves, BOA I haven't seen in person but have heard that they too are very finicky and come off tripping horses up very easily. I have heard from very knowledgable farriers that follow Pete Ramey's methods (who endorses Easyboot line) that the only way these boots work is if a foam is inserted or if they are glued onto hoof :( Not very practical for the majority of us but ok if you are a wealthy competitive endurance rider.
Having said all this Old Macs worked very well for me they never rubbed or came off even with galloping but are quite clunky and they did come off my friend's mare twice. They do have a less clunkier version called Old mac G2's that might be worth a try

Renegades:
Look cool but wear very quickly and are expensive so you end up spending lots of $$$ they also slip very easily and horses I know have bailed and landed on their sides along with the rider

Cavallos:
My all time favourite!!!!
They are an awesome company who fully stand by their product and they have been fabulous with me with my crappy measuring skills (can't find the butress line to save my life lol) Also the product is of the best quality I have seen and they last forever. So far I have galloped up hills, through muddy fields, up very rocky slopes, trudged through deep mud puddles, gone through water, and even jumped in them. They have stayed on and stayed put! No spinning or turning and they are soo easy to put on and take off! One time I was on the trail with the Easyboot Epics and three of them came off and I had to try to put them back on on the trail with out a screwdriver and a hoofpick to pull the cable up and out (yes they are this complicated) and it was a true nightmare to be honest! I had to try to hold them under my arm while riding all the way home :( the cavallos are a DREAM come true! If I ever had to try to put one on on the trail I could just undue the velcro strap in one swift motion, put in on her foot and do up velcro again in about 2 seconds. Plus I could easily hang them from my saddle fromthe velcro straps! Cavallo's motto is Life is Simple and they deliver on this promise!

Good luck and remember simple is best!
     
    06-10-2011, 10:42 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by To ride the sky    
I would highly recommend boots! They have literally saved my mare's feet!


Cavallos:
My all time favourite!!!!
They are an awesome company who fully stand by their product and they have been fabulous with me with my crappy measuring skills (can't find the butress line to save my life lol) Also the product is of the best quality I have seen and they last forever. So far I have galloped up hills, through muddy fields, up very rocky slopes, trudged through deep mud puddles, gone through water, and even jumped in them. They have stayed on and stayed put! No spinning or turning and they are soo easy to put on and take off! One time I was on the trail with the Easyboot Epics and three of them came off and I had to try to put them back on on the trail with out a screwdriver and a hoofpick to pull the cable up and out (yes they are this complicated) and it was a true nightmare to be honest! I had to try to hold them under my arm while riding all the way home :( the cavallos are a DREAM come true! If I ever had to try to put one on on the trail I could just undue the velcro strap in one swift motion, put in on her foot and do up velcro again in about 2 seconds. Plus I could easily hang them from my saddle fromthe velcro straps! Cavallo's motto is Life is Simple and they deliver on this promise!

Good luck and remember simple is best!
Thanks, The trimmer I'm hoping to have out is a dealer so she can probably fit Bella for them if she says she needs them. Last year my former trainer(she moved ) rode Bella up and down out driveway and she was never sore, she it may be the trim, hopefully once I get her a decent trim she won't have any issues

I did get some pics of her feet today, they aren't that great because it was really hot and buggy and Bella DID NOT want to be outside standing still, even with fly spray she was still under attack. But I did the best I could, I also had to use my cell phone, which takes fantastic pictures, it's just hard to use with one hand lol





























@Loosie When Bella was at home I would always ask my farrier if I should get them done sooner then 8 weeks(litterally everytime he's out I ask) and he always assures me that they don't need to be done sooner, Normally when he comes out he doesn't even need to use the nippers he just rasps them down and that's it. The way her feet look now is like the farrier didn't even do them when he was out(which was exactly a month ago so even by most peoples standards she would just be due)
     
    06-11-2011, 01:59 AM
  #14
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I would get the flares taken care of and proper shaping done before you try to put boots on. I know it depends on each horse and the climate etc..... however it doesn't sound/look like they are being done often enough for what she needs. I was going through the same thing with mine. And her's looks really similair with the flaring and lack of frog engagement. I know this can be hard but maybe it's time for another farrier? If you are going to keep your horse barefoot a really knowledgable barefoot trimmer really is the best. I found a good mustang roll really works well with boots.

For the cavallos all you need to do is take two simple measurements.
Using their guide which they can send to you measure the width from widest point to widest point. Then measure from what they call the buttress line which is just where the side bars end to the tip off the hoof. Also note the overall shape is it more round or more oval?

Cavallo has two types of boots one line is the 'simple' which is for rounder shaped hooves and the 'sport' is for the more oval shaped hoof.

This is somehting important to consider when you are deciding which size to get....People will tell you that the front feet are usally one size bigger than the back however I have noticed that normally it is just that the fronts are more round and the backs are more oval. So for example...
I purchased size 2's for her fronts and 1's for her backs both in the 'simple' style. But what happened was that she is actually a size 1 is both but needed the 'simple' style in the fronts and the 'sport' in the back because of the shape! Her backs are about 1/4 inch narrower than the fronts. The sports are 1/4 inch narrower than the simples. After playing some 'musical boots' and an exchange I finally got it right. Keep in mind that the 'simple' style is leather and stretches a bit whereas the sports are synthetic so even though when I first put on the brand new pair of 2's they seemed to fit, once they got worn in and stretched they were too loose. I know this sounds far from simple lol but trust me they are the best boots out there!

If you tell me her measurements in milimeters I can probably help you with figuring out sizes. The key is to go with the smaller size if she is in between at all. The sizes on the website are of the sole but what you're actually getting is a little more size so go with the smaller. I have heard this from many others as well. Here is the link to the chart Measuring and Fitting your Simple Boot : Cavallo Horse and Rider ask them to send you this guide and you can put it right onto the hoof. I would go with the measuring guide they show you at the top not the middle as the top is much more accurate. I'm going to measure my mare using this tomorrow just to make sure I give you the right info but I know that I ended up getting a size too big before when I was using a regular tapemeasure. But this was also right before her trim and she was getting a bit long. So ill see tomorrow and get back to you but they can probably send you a guide pretty fast.
     
    06-11-2011, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by To ride the sky    
I would get the flares taken care of and proper shaping done before you try to put boots on. I know it depends on each horse and the climate etc..... however it doesn't sound/look like they are being done often enough for what she needs. I was going through the same thing with mine. And her's looks really similair with the flaring and lack of frog engagement. I know this can be hard but maybe it's time for another farrier? If you are going to keep your horse barefoot a really knowledgable barefoot trimmer really is the best. I found a good mustang roll really works well with boots.
Like I said, she has never had ANY flaring until after this farrier "trimmed" her, he did a terrible job shaping the feet, her feet were in great condition and then I had this guy do them because I figured he couldn't screw up my horses feet with one trim, but I was wrong because obviously he didn't trim them correctly, these pictures are exactly 4 weeks after this guy worked on her.
I also said that I found a natural balance barefoot trimmer that will come out and trim her, and if she says he needs to be done more then every 8 weeks I am fine with that, she was doing fine with 8 weeks with the farrier who does my other horses, but now that she's starting to develop flares I'm sure it will take a few good trims to get here where she was before. I seriously wonder if this new farrier even do anything to her feet(besides cut her frog and sole) because her heals are longer then they have been and the flares...I will NEVER have this guy trim any of my horses again!


Also the barefoot trimmer i'm going to have come out is a cavallo boot dealer, so i'm sure once she trims Bella she can fit her for boots if she feels she needs them
     
    06-12-2011, 12:23 AM
  #16
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Interesting comments from ride the sky. I like to hear/learn about different people's experiences with boots.

I find that **so long as the boots fit well/are adjusted well, Easyboots *with gaiters* stay on well. I agree that easys without gaiters come off way too easily. Most of my clients that use them are happy with them. In really deep mud, jumping & stuff they can come off &/or not be great. In really harsh terrain they can get wrecked - as can any - but in normal situations they are reasonably long-wearing. Their average lifespan should be around 1500-2000kms on normal footing, but it can be down to 500kms if it's very abrasive.

Gloves too are great, but as already said, they're only really suitable for very good hoof form and must be extra well fitted. As horse's feet naturally change/deform as they're allowed to overgrow, this effects fit too, so hooves should be attended often enough to *keep* them in shape, rather than having to be 'corrected' with trimming. There's another reason they may not be appropriate choice for all.

I am surprised to hear of Old macs coming off a horse - I find it hard to understand how they could, unless the buckle/straps gave or the boot otherwise fell apart. I've found them to be good - don't know too many others that use them tho. I do have a friend who said they didn't stand up to really rough, granite tracks in the high country, whereas she does OK in Epics.

As for high profile boots such as OMs, Cavellos etc, they *should* be pretty secure regardless and are also a bit more forgiving, fit-wise. So if hooves don't fit perfectly in other boots, or such as with the feet in question, they are likely to change as they become healthier, this kind may be better. I think that Cavellos & Boas have too stiff backs for the height, which can interfere with range of movement of the pastern joints as well as higher possibility of rubbing & other minor injury. OMs are more yielding, and the brand new Easyboot Trails also look good(haven't tried/tested them yet).
     
    06-12-2011, 02:06 AM
  #17
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Sorry, but it's really hard to tell with those pics & the mud. Clean feet, not-quite-so close ups would be better. Good Hoof Photos - How to take Good Hoof Photos is a good reference for best angles.

It does appear she has pretty reasonable feet. The side flaring, particularly at the toe quarters on fronts and heel quarters on back look like they probably haven't just happened in the last few weeks tho. It's hard to guage the trim, being 4 weeks out too. It's possible (IMO) that the mustang roll wasn't done, or at least enough in the separated areas to prevent leverage and there's a little(can't tell how much) heel & bar to remove, but these(along with quarters) could have grown in 4 weeks while the toes wore more, and don't really look that long. But as I have said, just my opinion and hard to tell from these pics.
     
    06-13-2011, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by loosie    
Sorry, but it's really hard to tell with those pics & the mud. Clean feet, not-quite-so close ups would be better. Good Hoof Photos - How to take Good Hoof Photos is a good reference for best angles.

It does appear she has pretty reasonable feet. The side flaring, particularly at the toe quarters on fronts and heel quarters on back look like they probably haven't just happened in the last few weeks tho. It's hard to guage the trim, being 4 weeks out too. It's possible (IMO) that the mustang roll wasn't done, or at least enough in the separated areas to prevent leverage and there's a little(can't tell how much) heel & bar to remove, but these(along with quarters) could have grown in 4 weeks while the toes wore more, and don't really look that long. But as I have said, just my opinion and hard to tell from these pics.
Thank you for your input, I know the pictures weren't that great, I had put my camera in my purse a few days earlier,but neglected to make sure it was still in there. My boyfriend had taken it out the day before and forgot to tell me, so all I had was my cell phone which takes good pics, but it's very hard to take them with one hand, I kept accidentally hitting the zoom, and the fact that it was buggy made Bella very unhappy. I placed a call to the natural balance hoof trimmer on friday evening, i'm hoping she will call me back on monday and I can have her out within a week or so.
It is possible that she had slight flaring before that I didn't notice, but if she did it was not nearly as noticeable as it is now. I really like to be on top of my horses hoof care(which is why I bug my farrier all the time to ensure that 8 weeks isn't too long) I'm constantly checking out the shape of the hooves to make sure they aren't showing signs of needing a trim, and I didn't notice the flaring until about 2 weeks after this new guy trimmed her. He did not do any sort of mustang roll on her feet, I did check for that and a few days after her trim I did notice her feet still looked longish. Like I said before, I have seen the hooves of a lot of the horses this farrier trims and shoes and i've noticed most of them have long heals and long toes despite having regular(every 6 weeks) farrier work. I'm really looking forward to having this barefoot trimmer out. I have a friend on facebook who is a trusted barefoot trimmer(too bad she lives over 2 hours away) and she said going by her website and the pictures of her work on facebook she seems like one of the good ones. Val, my barn owner is also going to talk to her when she comes out to do Bella, so hopefully we can get some of her horses going barefoot. The farrier she uses has her thinking that all working horses NEED shoes. She has one horse there that she leases out and she was 100% sound barefoot but he convinced her to put shoes on her since sometimes she canters with her front and trots with her back and that shoes would somehow magically fix that (I'm I crazy for thinking that's crazy?)
     
    06-13-2011, 01:07 AM
  #19
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I just got a pair of used Cavallos and wow do I love them. They really stick on there! I've had EasyBoot Epics before and didn't care for the hassle of them. When they were properly adjusted to the horses foot, they were a PITA to put on. If you could get them on easily, they needed cranked down. The Cavallos are easy. Just tip the toe in and fasten the velcro. I have had a harder time putting on bell boots.

My boy is currently in hoof rehab, hence the boots. I had planned on getting him shoes but he doesn't need much protection in the field (mostly rock free) and only on the trail. I only ride 2 days a week, I could justify making him wear shoes 24/7 when I only ride a little.
     
    06-13-2011, 11:11 PM
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YAY, the natural balance hoof trimmer will be out friday at 1:30. I'm so excited to meet her and have her evaluate Bella's feet, I showed her the pics and she said they don't look too bad but she is going to make a few changes. I'm going to ask if she thinks Bella needs boots. I'm hoping she was just tender footed because of the incomplete trim but if she thinks she needs boots then that is what I will do, i'm sure she can size them and everything since i'm sure I would measure wrong. I will be sure to post some after pics so everyone can see the difference.
     

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