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post #11 of 57 Old 03-29-2013, 06:48 PM
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Och! Nothing more to add from what Trinity has said. Don't like to judge farriers online, but from what you've said & shown... Do make a point of learning about hoof form & function yourself, so you can have some idea about what's going on & the stories you're told, rather than having to go on blind faith.
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post #12 of 57 Old 03-29-2013, 09:08 PM Thread Starter
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I have been reading everything I can on feet. It is allot to absorb and put into functional use without someone there to explain things as I go. Or, maybe I am not all that bright, or just to old to learn. Maybe I have a mental block about it or something, but I cannot seem to figure out anything on feet except for when they "look wrong" to me. I only post about her feet because they do look wrong to me still.

From what I think I have learned from reading, not just here but on every educational hoof site I can find is that she can go barefoot without a shoe, and her feet as long as they are kept up with regular trimming will improve.

Saying there would not be enough hoof if the nail holes broke open is idiotic because the nail holes are only supposed to be in the external hoof wall where it doesn't really matter as far as function goes.

It is important for the frog to have contact with the ground because it stimulates blood flow to that area. If the frog has no contact with the ground it will just recede.

When the entire sole of the hoof including the frog has contact with the ground it naturally will shed itself from movement so there will not usually be the huge overgrowth of sole as in my horses front feet.

Wedge pads should never be a permanent fix. They should be used with someting so the frog is stimulated like it would be naturally.

The angle of the hoof has to correspond with the angle of the pasturn and the entire leg of the horse. Each horse is an individual and needs to be trimmed accordingly.

What those angles are I don't know. I thought it was supposed to be a continuated angle from the pasturn. The same as the pasturn.

There should be one third of the entire foot behind the pasturn and 2 thirds in front of the pasturn.

And there is about all I have been able to understand. And it could be wrong.

One of the inside tendons on my horses front leg feels thickened today. I wrapped her legs with standing wraps, and cold hosed her for about 15 minutes.

Guess I have to get another farrier out now.

I was going on what the lady who bought my horses daughter had said about the way her feet looked before. The woman from what I have been told and have seen in video, did not have much horse knowledge. I know when I got her they just hadn't been done for a while and she was suffering from the effects of to much standing in mud etc.

I cannot figure out how to quote text, or I would have done that.

I do think I got better hoof pictures today.
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post #13 of 57 Old 03-29-2013, 09:21 PM Thread Starter
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And more pictures:

I appreciate the input, but don't respond if you don't want to or don't have time. I will take care of whatever needs to be done for her.
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That picture of the left front makes me cringe. That is one seriously underrun heel. To have a heel that long and put a wedge pad under it to make it even higher is madness. That heel needs to be lowered and dragged back under the horse's center of gravity. The wedge pad needs to go. The right one isn't much better. The hinds don't look bad to me, but the heels on those fronts are just so far forward. I can't believe this horse is sound.
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post #15 of 57 Old 03-29-2013, 11:29 PM Thread Starter
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Just want to make sure you know what they looked like 2/10/2013. She is sound but I did notice a swelling on the right inside of her cannon bone this morning. So far still sound. Thing is the farrier was just out Monday and said she was looking good and he would trim her in 2 weeks.
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Im with Puck. wow. Flare, bullnosing, underrun heels...this horse has it all.
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post #17 of 57 Old 03-30-2013, 04:11 AM
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Don't have time for big response now - will get back to you - but quick note to say don't feel dumb or 'too old' to learn - it's a huge learning curve if you get into it & bit by bit will get you there eventually... & no dog is ever too old for new tricks! I think from the point of view of working out basic measurements, angles & such, a (reasonably) straightforward site that explains it well is Equine Lameness Prevention Organization

Oh and I LOVE the sticky letters on the hooves!
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post #18 of 57 Old 03-30-2013, 07:13 PM
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So this farrier only started in feb? This is only after his first session with this horse? So as this horse has substantial probs that won't be fixed in 1-few trims, we need to keep that in mind

So IMO... You can't fix a problem using the same logic that created it & I think in this case, the shoes are definitely compounding the problem. She needs her walls UNloaded and the soles & frogs supported/loaded, for the walls to be able to relax down at the back. She needs her heels pulled back, as in 'bevelled' in relation to the current 'ground surface'(assuming there is one).

Her hind feet are imbalanced - it appears he's pulled back the outside heel of the left hind but the rest are still crushed forward. It's unclear how much the toes have been 'dubbed' - that is, backed up on the surface & rasped high up the wall(not a good practice IMO) - but the 'bullnose' appearance of all feet, particularly the left fore & right hind really concern me. Can't tell much of soles from these angles & with the front soles half covered, but looking at the shape of the dorsal wall, the degree they're crushed, the hoof pastern angle, etc, I would be concerned that P3 on the worst 2 at least may have a negative ground plane angle. While IMO it's imperative the heels are raised to correct this situation, this needs to be done with support *under* the foot, not under the walls, which especially when already crushed, can just allow the rest of the foot to 'sink' further.

The massive flaring & imbalance on the front feet will also be exacerbated by being shod. Again, the walls need to be UNloaded to correct this, rather than forced to bear the whole load. The walls are already very compromised, so keeping them fully loaded has caused them to start to collapse & 'splat', as you can see most clearly on the medial sides.
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I have her on total rest right now. Current farrier saw her Monday and wanted to wait 2 weeks. Should I find a new one?
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Thanks. I thought the sticky letters would be a good way to mark the feet. She is a very tolerant horse.

So, she is not lame but doing an extra bounce with both front feet when she walks and once again hitting the ground toe first. I will get the pads and shoes removed Monday.

I don't think there is much point my continueing with this farrier because he doesn't seem to (get it).

My poor horse has been through so much already. I wonder if she will ever be "OK"
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