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        04-08-2013, 03:10 AM
      #41
    Trained
    Looks like feet may be a bit better. Obviously considering how her feet were & that this woman has done one trim, can't expect much of a change yet.

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    ]It looks like I wasted a bunch of money on supplements that I can't use and feed I don't need to use either. She said that the hay in California is rich in iron and my horse should not have additional iron in her diet. [/FONT]
    Yup, which is one reason I harp on about diet analysis & *appropriate* supplements & using services such as FeedXL.com Every manufacturer of a supp will tell you it's Wonderful & Necessary, but it depends on their *specific* diet as to what they need.

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    got a report that she was kicking the corral pipe rails while I was gone. .... I know she is bored etc. but I spend no less than 6 hours a day with her every day.
    So she's left in a corral(alone I suppose?) for 18 hrs a day? Yup, that would be stressful for her. I think keeping her in a paddock with company is definitely very important & I'd make it a priority ASAP. Living in constant boredom/stress in a corral won't be good for her feet either.
         
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        04-08-2013, 04:28 AM
      #42
    Foal
    Hi;
    I sure wish she could have a friend, but she doesn't like other horses, and proves that time and time again. She was isolated in a 10x10 box stall from one to four years of age and I think she never developed any horse relationships. After that from what I have been told she would attack other horses and even when kept on 5 acres she still fought with and "savagely attacked".

    When I put her in the pasture by herself she will graze and walk around a bit but once she thinks I am not there or looking she will go up to another horse and start kicking the rails near him and it doesn't matter how that horse reacts to her she still goes after them.

    She has gotten out of her corral before and one night when she did I found her pretty cut up the next day. So much so that if her wound had been an inch over she would have bled out the vet said. The wound was in the shape of a hoof mark and she was out with another horse.

    If I am riding her she is okay with other horses, just ignores them even if they do try to kick her she won't even try to get out of their way.

    I have interactive feeder toys and she has an indoor barn she can go into. I keep the terrain as different as I can. She has the biggest corral at the ranch. It looks right out into the arena and on the other side it looks over to the cows and brahma bull and steer in a pasture. She gets visited by the ranch dogs and cats. The cats love her. There is a goat that walks around free that goes in and helps her with her grass or if it is raining.

    I can't take her home with me because it isn't my house and I cannot push the issue any further.

    I am really trying everything I can with her. I just am not going to let her get beat up and hurt again because nothing has changed with her and I know that after 19 years of hating other horses she won't just suddenly change her mind.

    We do ground work daily and when she is feeling up to it we have weekly training with the trainer. I can't take her off the property due to the melt downs that have happened with her winding up running down the middle of the road or breaking my foot.

    I am trying all I can but for right now I cannot think of what else to do or where else to put her.

    Thanks again
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        04-08-2013, 05:43 AM
      #43
    Trained
    Oh! Sheds a different light. That's difficult & sounds like you're managing it the best you can. I suppose you've considered a paddock that's not bordering on other horses? Different species company, such as that goat, a cow or some such?
         
        04-11-2013, 01:14 AM
      #44
    Foal
    Hi;

    Yeah, the corral next to her is empty and there are no other horses anywhere near her. I tried to see if she would interact or at least be somewhat normal around a 25 year old palamino gelding today in the pasture. She was grazing and actually moved her graze area over towards him. He stayed where he was and I backed off to the far end of the pasture. She grazed till her head was a foot away from him. I thought that was great, maybe she could have a friend. Then the next thing I knew she started doing her what I call "snake eyes" where she starts waving her head down low baring her teethe. I left it all alone and didn't interupt till she started to move her butt towards him. He grazed the entire time never so much as lifting his head up. But I went ahead and took her out of the pasture. As soon as she saw me she stopped and looked up. I just can't risk her hurting another horse.


    There is a goat that she tolerates. He roams free so he visits her a bit. She also gets visits by the cats and dogs.
         
        04-30-2013, 05:22 AM
      #45
    Foal
    Hi;

    Just to update. Had her feet trimmed again a couple of days ago. That was at 3 weeks from the last trim. Her feet are looking better I think. The trimmer said they were improving but of course it takes time.

    She wouldn't eat the supplements in the form of cookies so my trimmer mixed up some things for her ulcers that have beet pulp (i soak it for at least an hour,it is pelleted with out sugars) flax, aloe vera juice, and other things I cannot recall right now. My horse loves it all so much she eats it with one foot in the air.

    Her frogs had grown a bit and her soles. She said her white line is tightening up, and she isn't landing toe first anymore.

    She saw a chiropractor about 2 weeks ago. It made her feel better. She will see one again in another 6 weeks.

    I really need to keep her moving and get her more excersize, but am not to sure how to do that.

    Just thought I would report in . I will send pictures in the next couple of days
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        05-13-2013, 02:46 AM
      #46
    Foal
    Hi;

    So, had the trimmer out on Tuesday, so about 5 days ago. My horse's white line was getting a groove in it which was building up with dirt etc. I was trying to clean it out with a hoof pick and brush etc, but it was starting to cause a flare. She needed to have another trim.

    She was sore after this trim. She is doing better now. We also were trying on different hoof boots for her and she did some walking on rocks. I couldn't find any boots that would help with her very low heels without rubbing on them even with pads.

    I got some pictures tonight. Not great pictures but maybe you can tell something.

    I couldn't get any sole pictures. It is to hard by myself. I did get some great pictures of my thumb but I doubt that will be at all useful.

    After her trim her white line was red on one of her feet.

    The trimmer said I need to cut out all sugar from her diet including carrots. She wants her to loose about 100lbs and wants her getting as much activity as possible. She would prefer her be in a larger area like an acre or so, but I can't do it now. She lives in a 24'x 50' corral with a 12x12 barn in it. I can't move her until January 2014.

    She eats hay out of a freedom feeder and gets beet pulp with aloe vera juice, flax seed, probiotics, and bermuda pellets daily. She also gets 3lbs of Alfalfa a day in addition to the grass in her feeder which is bermuda.

    She kicks bad when she is out of food, so I have to make sure she always has grass. I can't stop her from the kicking and she will hurt herself allot.

    She does have ulcers.

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        05-13-2013, 02:49 AM
      #47
    Foal
    Sorry for the crappy pictures and the dirty feet. They didn't look so dirty until I posted them on here.
         
        05-13-2013, 07:34 AM
      #48
    Trained
    Like to see some sole shots, but you've just got to get those long toes backed up.
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        05-13-2013, 08:27 AM
      #49
    Foal
    I will try again. Maybe with the web cam. Just don't want her to step on the laptop.

    When I look at her soles, the white line is all the way to the edge. Actually it goes out to the edge and kind of curves up a little from where the roll is at the front of the foot. Hope this makes sense. The white line was wider and is now tighter. I will have her out this week then. I made a mistake about the times of the trims. She has been getting trimmed every 1 1/2 to 2 weeks.

    I will try to get some more pictures of the soles.

    I may consider getting her some hoof boots.
    She needs way more excersize than she is getting.
         
        05-18-2013, 04:07 AM
      #50
    Foal
    So, the picture thing isn't going to work for me at this time. I need to get a friend out to the barn with me to help. I keep taking pictures of the top of my boot or my thumb.

    When I look at the soles, the white line (which is dark pink) is right up to the edge of the hoof at the toe. I don't think she could trim off anymore than she has without actually going into the white line. She did have to cut away some infected white line on one of the quarters of the rear hoof. There is still a significant hole there but it doesn't contact the ground anymore.

    My horse's heels seemed painful to me. I got her a pair of Easy Boots Epics and used them today. She does walk much more normal with the boots on. I only got the boots for the front feet as I really wanted to see if they worked first. I may get them for the back as well. She is a size 1.

    I am treating the white line disease with ACV and Thrush Off. It is the non toxic thrush medication. I have been getting her feet done about every 2 weeks right now. At least until they are more normal.

    Her diet now consists of bermuda grass pellets soaked in water with soaked and well rinsed beet pulp pellets, aloe vera juice (pure), ground flax, probiotics "liv bac", Trace minerals, and Biotin. I also give her Bermuda grass and Alfalfa in her freedom feeder.

    I am want her to lose 100lbs and also build up some muscle. She was reluctant to walk much without the boots. With the boots she is much more willing. So, now I can increase her excersize and I am sure that will help. She is only getting about 2 small carrots a week now.

    The farrier that put her in the wedge pads back in Feb. Text me to see if I wanted him to do my horse since it had been a while and she would need to have her feet done. He then text me after he had looked at her while he was at the ranch doing some other horses. I was not there at the time. He text me about 5 messages stating that he was very dissapointed that I had removed the shoes and that I was going to be causing her long term damage etc. He said her feet are very difficult and not normal and that she was not being done right. Then he said he hoped I wasn't "mad at him" for telling me so.

    I haven't replied.

    I think that my horse will be okay. I think she probably does have hard feet to work with. I wish I had never put shoes on her when I got her. I really thought at the time it was the "right" thing to do.

    I am looking foward to getting her moving tomorrow. Maybe?
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