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  • Red line on horse hoof after farrier
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    02-18-2013, 07:24 PM
  #11
Trained
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Originally Posted by SEAmom    
He's a coming 5 year old arabian....
He is on a good hoof supplement. He's been on it for close to 2 years and his feet grow like crazy with or without it.
One reason I'd have him out of shoes, for a while at least, is his age. Yes, a good nutritional supp *that's appropriate considering horse's diet* is a good idea IMO.

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I was really surprised when I told this farrier that he had a slight club in his RF and he told me that his LF was actually a club and not the RF.
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Well you *could* call either of them clubbed... or not, depending on your point of view. Just going off the pics I'd say the left was more 'clubby' but perhaps the right one was before the heels collapsed...
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    02-18-2013, 07:35 PM
  #12
Trained
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Originally Posted by SEAmom    
He does stumble - on all ground. He lets me know if his feet need done sooner than I'm expecting because he'll start tripping and stumbling with growing frequency. He's been tripping for the past couple of weeks. Since roughly a week or two before his last trim when I was looking for a new farrier after mine moved a week before he was sure for his next trim.
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hmmm. I am no expert, but if he were mine I would want someone that really knew waht they were doing to take a look and give me a clear plan on how they would take the toe length down (along w any other ideas) over x amount of time. His sole plane appears "right there" with the hoof wall and the collateral grooves don't really look that deep (but its hard to tell from a 2D pic), yet the toes are so long. That is why I would want someone that would take theiir time to examine his feet carefully and figure out a reasoned approach. Of course, I do barefoot...so I would be doing that barefoot...niether here no there - it can be adjusted either way

Ah, I see an expert chimed in above...better info than I have.
     
    02-18-2013, 09:39 PM
  #13
Yearling
Long toes make for trippy hooves! I think with a nice trim from someone who knows what he's doing will go a long way. And will have beautiful feet.

And, one thing I did learn from Ramey was that if properly trimmed on a good schedule, nothing over 6 weeks, the hooves do remodel towards a better hoof for the horse. When I started trimming by Ramey, my horse's feet just blossomed and did everything he said they would. It's good basic knowledge. I think being on a regular 5-6 week schedule has kept my horse's high-low very close, she's had a 2-3 degree difference for 7 years, no matter who trims her, LOL.
     
    02-18-2013, 09:55 PM
  #14
Started
Loosie, I don't want to sound ignorant, but can you explain the lines you drew? I get a couple, like showing how the toe and heel on the hind foot aren't parallel (right?), but I don't know enough about the lines to understand what you're pointing out with the rest.

Also, looking at the pictures again, the LF heel seems to more resemble a crushed heel than the RF. The RF heel is far more upright and doesn't curve like the LF heel. At least, that's how it appeared to me.
     
    02-18-2013, 11:33 PM
  #15
Trained
Didn't have time for explanations before. Perhaps as there were medial & lateral views I confused which foot, but I was thinking the 1st pic I attached was RF, 3rd the left? Below also given considering may not be accurate considering views of pics...

Red lines show what's wrong - 1st pic long, crushed forward heel. 3rd pic toe angle, hairline angle & very high, forward but as yet not so crushed heel. Toe & heel shouldn't be parallel, heels should generally be steeper. 4th pic long, crushed forward heel (possibly contributing to) bulging(bullnosed) dorsal wall. Last pic appears that the bony columns of the legs are straight & are turned out from up a the elbow/body - legs rotated from up high - suggesting possibility of muscle/shoulder tightness or such. Blue lines on sole showing (conservatively I think) how far the toe should come back for good a/p balance.
     
    02-18-2013, 11:52 PM
  #16
Started
Thank you very much for the explanation! That was very helpful. You're right about the shoulders being tight. I've actually had a cemt (i think those are the correct initials) out recently to work on him and the chiro is coming on wednesday.

Princess, he's closer to 4-5 weeks because his hooves grow so quickly. 4 in the spring and summer, 5 in the late fall and winter. I know going to long between trims definitely didn't help. It was terrible timing between the farrier moving and finding a new one to come out. The 4-5 well schedule was perfect for the high-low and he was always within 3 degrees.

Oh, one thing I do remember is that the most recent farrier mentioned something about his angles and said he was at 49 & 52 and that after the trim he was at 50 & 50.5ish. Does that sound right?

Btw, loosie, the first pc is the lf and the third you posted is the rf.
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    02-19-2013, 10:23 AM
  #17
Yearling
Hmmm. I think the R/F is more clubby. It looks like the heel has a more upright angle than the toe. And if the toe didn't flare, I would see more of the club.

However, the L/F appears more narrow in the pic. That's how my High foot is, it's narrower. I don't know if it's the picture or not, and it's hard to see on a pic which is the more narrow foot because they are pointing in 2 different directions.

Others may have a different opinion, but pics can be deceiving, and harder to interpret, or different people can interpret things different ways. And hoof in hand can look different.

Here's a good example. This xray was taken at an odd angle, and her toe is no where near that much longer. I think he was trying to get a good picture of the navicular bone .
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    02-24-2013, 05:23 PM
  #18
Foal
Like everyone else said, those toes are way too long and imbalanced. You also should treat for thrush because those are some unhappy frogs and can't function properly with those heels being tall and contracted. They need to come down. Looks like your horse had solid walls and healthy feet otherwise. I don't see any major growth rings to signal that something is out of whack, but I would find myself a new farrier.
     
    02-25-2013, 06:22 PM
  #19
Yearling
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Originally Posted by SEAmom    
Thank you very much for the explanation! That was very helpful. You're right about the shoulders being tight. I've actually had a cemt (i think those are the correct initials) out recently to work on him and the chiro is coming on wednesday.

Princess, he's closer to 4-5 weeks because his hooves grow so quickly. 4 in the spring and summer, 5 in the late fall and winter. I know going to long between trims definitely didn't help. It was terrible timing between the farrier moving and finding a new one to come out. The 4-5 well schedule was perfect for the high-low and he was always within 3 degrees.

Oh, one thing I do remember is that the most recent farrier mentioned something about his angles and said he was at 49 & 52 and that after the trim he was at 50 & 50.5ish. Does that sound right?

Btw, loosie, the first pc is the lf and the third you posted is the rf.
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The angles sound good. Around 50 is kind of neutral. I don't know what your horse needs, but that angle is pretty common.
     

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