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    07-07-2012, 05:08 PM
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hoof flare/WLD/seedy toe??????

I am starting a new thread since I wasn't sure if reviving the really old thread was the best thing to do....under Nolan hoof plates.

My percheron, that I adopted a year ago, has been battling hoof issues for the past year. It is seeming that her flaring is worsening. The gap between sole and hoof wall is stretching more despite my farrier shortening and rolling her toe. X-rays showed very thin sole, but no coffin bone rotation. She has little, if any collateral grooves and foot is very flat. My farrier put front shoes on her, at my request, to see if she would be more comfortable. She definitely was!!!!! No tip-toing or tripping. Happy to canter under saddle. However, she threw a shoe last week and is now miserable. I am going to pull the other today since farrier is not due out until 7/20. My farrier comes from over an hour away and is unable to come out for simple touch ups. In the past, I have tried to keep her toe rasped inbetween trims. This time I have a cast on my right hand making it very difficult.....though I will try today. I will also try and get some pics of her feet.

Has anyone used the Nolan Hoof Plates? Closest farrier that does them is over two hours away. If not, any suggestions on what I should be doing for my mare? Shoes helped her comfort, but does it make the WLD worse? Help!!!!
     
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    07-07-2012, 05:54 PM
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    07-07-2012, 10:16 PM
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Foal
I've never used hoof plates ( as my horses go barefoot ) but just wanted to say don't give up hope on better feet. I bought my QH/Morgan 14 months ago and when he first came home his hooves were pretty bad. Just over 3 months ago, my farrier noticed some separation on the front hooves which he chalked up to the previous owners and said with the good care I'm giving him it should be grown out soon. Today was his second trim since then, and my farrier said his feet look perfect, no separation and good contour of the sole ( he was very flat when he first came to me ). I hope the same happens for your girl, it may just need time to grow out the "old" hoof.
     
    07-08-2012, 12:01 AM
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So, I was very ambitious to try and help my horse, but it didn't work with this cast on. I had no luck getting the left over clinches out of the hoof that threw the shoe. I tried to rasp the flares without much luck. I pasted pics, but they probably won't be much help. Farrier comes out July 20th....she definitely needs some help.



     
    07-08-2012, 12:18 AM
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Yearling
Treat that horse for deep sulcus thrush and get that frog healthy. It causes lameness and at times is confused for navicular among other things. I can see it clearly from here. There should only be a divot in the back of the frog there, not a fissure or anything resembling a butt crack. Cut it open and expose it to the air and treat it aggressively and every day until the frog grows in strong and healthy. It looks like you are very dry where you are but make no mistake, thrush hides very well deep in the caverns of a fissure like that.


Also, I see a badly overgrown hoof with a great deal of old sole in there and long toes. Her break over is well ahead of where it should be. When was this horse set in these shoes? A pathological foot should be getting trimmed every 4 to 6 weeks MAX. I find 4 weeks is quite long enough for horses with problems that are barefoot. By then, they are already starting to go backwards due to wall overgrowth. When shod, 5 or 6 weeks is usually the max. Ppl that think their horses can go 7 or 8 weeks usually have problem feet.
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    07-08-2012, 12:50 AM
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Treat that horse for deep sulcus thrush and get that frog healthy. It causes lameness and at times is confused for navicular among other things. I can see it clearly from here. There should only be a divot in the back of the frog there, not a fissure or anything resembling a butt crack. Cut it open and expose it to the air and treat it aggressively and every day until the frog grows in strong and healthy. It looks like you are very dry where you are but make no mistake, thrush hides very well deep in the caverns of a fissure like that.


Also, I see a badly overgrown hoof with a great deal of old sole in there and long toes. Her break over is well ahead of where it should be. When was this horse set in these shoes? A pathological foot should be getting trimmed every 4 to 6 weeks MAX. I find 4 weeks is quite long enough for horses with problems that are barefoot. By then, they are already starting to go backwards due to wall overgrowth. When shod, 5 or 6 weeks is usually the max. Ppl that think their horses can go 7 or 8 weeks usually have problem feet.
I wish I could have her trimmed more than every seven weeks. Her last trim ws May 25th. Our farrier comes every seven weeks for a group of us since he comes from so far away. I usually try to rasp them inbetween, but haven't been able to even clean them due to my having a cast on. Yes, it is very dry here in central california. No rain from April til September pretty much.....just heat and sun. I have a section of pasture that they go on that I grow what grass I can and they stand in a sprinkler or mister. I don't think the sole is usually removed at all due to her very thin soles. I have been trying to treat the thrush for a while....one soak in the white lightening/vinegar solution before I broke my finger.....and since just trying to get some apple cidar vinegar on the frog. I'll be able to do more soon.
     
    07-08-2012, 01:23 AM
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Foal
I definitely would not shoe a horse that big without clips.
     
    07-08-2012, 01:31 AM
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I definitely would not shoe a horse that big without clips.
I was wondering about clips. What difference does that make?
     
    07-08-2012, 01:44 AM
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Foal
A properly fit clip will take stress off the nail so you don't get the result that you did with 7 nails sheared off in the hoof .
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    07-08-2012, 10:57 AM
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Yearling
Have the farrier cut that fissure well open and trim all that loose shedding frog away so you can really get at it. Get a hoof knife yourself so you can trim flaps as needed. Don't be afraid to really get after because it travels under the layers of frog very readily. Then stuff cotton balls as deep as possible in the fissure with medication in front of them and even soak the cotton balls if need be. Dry Cow mastitus cream works as well as a hose of other topicals, (I like thrushbuster IF the fissure isnt raw. If its raw, use the mastitus cream or the Ramey goo mixture) but it has to remain open and the flaps trimmed off.

Also, allowing a bunch of dead sole to build up only leaves her walls longer than they need to be when it starts sloughing out and leaves her floating all her weight on the wall alone with no mud or packing dirt to fill the void. Dead sole is dead sole. It should go and if need be,use pour in padding like Vettec products or something similar, casting or boots or something applied to protect the bottom of the foot.

Have you looked into casting and filling the sole with something like vettec CS? Once the sulcus infection is well in hand - dried out and open, This is the route I would go. Big horses use 4 inch casting. It works amazingly well to grow out tight walls. This horse will have amazing feet with just a little time and effort it looks like.
     

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