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        10-17-2013, 02:19 PM
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    ^^I think it's unlikely to cause a negative palmar/plantar angle from alone... unless you do a Strasser type trim & remove heels all together. If you don't invade the sole plane, don't allow the toes to get too long, I think negative plane is not a big issue.
    That's really good to know.

    But then why do some horses just "have it?" I guess by that I mean, when you start looking at photos of horses, especially on their hind feet, a lot of them have a bull-nosed shape which suggests negative palmar angle. So it that just from not backing up the toe enough? Or???
         
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        10-17-2013, 06:11 PM
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    Trained
    I don't doubt that trimming(or lack of) can *contribute*, especially leaving long toes & heels to be crushed forward. But yes, I was thinking of hind feet too as most problematic in this regard, frequently on OTTBs IME(not normally underrun, but truly 'hardly any' heel), that I think it's their way of going - something 'upstairs' that causes them to move in this manner.
         
        10-17-2013, 09:59 PM
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    Started
    I thought this paragraph about the bars, from Pete Ramey's article, would interest some here:

    Last year I quietly started experimenting with this in my own client horses and immediately found it was a significant improvement to my work. Shod horses come out of shoes much more comfortably if you leave a longer bar and backing off on bar trimming almost immediately and very dramatically increases the soundness and traction of most barefoot horses. The bars will almost always start to maintain their own height at the level of the sole or perhaps an 1/8th to 1/4 inch longer than the sole if you leave them alone. The less you trim the bars, the shorter they become! The flip-side is that the more routinely you trim the bars, the quicker they pop back and íneedí to be trimmed again. Leaving a longer bar (and sole ridge around the frog) accelerates the process of achieving a deeply concaved sole by providing support to the internal structures and reducing sole wear. I already learned this lesson about the other parts of the foot years ago. The less I trimmed the sole, the deeper the solar concavity became. The less I shortened the foot, the shorter the foot became. The less I trimmed frogs, the more sound the horses were...... Every time I have learned to back off, my horses became more sound and the rehabilitation of pathologies accomplished more quickly. I was a just a bit slower in seeing the same truth about the bars. Now Iíve come to view them as a critically important weight-bearing structure and see that as with every other part of the foot, over-trimming them makes them grow too long; too fast.
         

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