Hoof Geeks: Froggy question - Page 2 - The Horse Forum
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 13 Old 10-17-2013, 01:19 PM
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Arizona
Posts: 5,379
• Horses: 2
Originally Posted by loosie View Post
^^I think it's unlikely to cause a negative palmar/plantar angle from alone... unless you do a Strasser type trim & remove heels all together. If you don't invade the sole plane, don't allow the toes to get too long, I think negative plane is not a big issue.
That's really good to know.

But then why do some horses just "have it?" I guess by that I mean, when you start looking at photos of horses, especially on their hind feet, a lot of them have a bull-nosed shape which suggests negative palmar angle. So it that just from not backing up the toe enough? Or???
trailhorserider is offline  
Sponsored Links
post #12 of 13 Old 10-17-2013, 05:11 PM
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 13,556
• Horses: 0
I don't doubt that trimming(or lack of) can *contribute*, especially leaving long toes & heels to be crushed forward. But yes, I was thinking of hind feet too as most problematic in this regard, frequently on OTTBs IME(not normally underrun, but truly 'hardly any' heel), that I think it's their way of going - something 'upstairs' that causes them to move in this manner.
loosie is offline  
post #13 of 13 Old 10-17-2013, 08:59 PM Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,975
• Horses: 0
I thought this paragraph about the bars, from Pete Ramey's article, would interest some here:

Last year I quietly started experimenting with this in my own client horses and immediately found it was a significant improvement to my work. Shod horses come out of shoes much more comfortably if you leave a longer bar and backing off on bar trimming almost immediately and very dramatically increases the soundness and traction of most barefoot horses. The bars will almost always start to maintain their own height at the level of the sole or perhaps an 1/8th to 1/4 inch longer than the sole if you leave them alone. The less you trim the bars, the shorter they become! The flip-side is that the more routinely you trim the bars, the quicker they pop back and íneedí to be trimmed again. Leaving a longer bar (and sole ridge around the frog) accelerates the process of achieving a deeply concaved sole by providing support to the internal structures and reducing sole wear. I already learned this lesson about the other parts of the foot years ago. The less I trimmed the sole, the deeper the solar concavity became. The less I shortened the foot, the shorter the foot became. The less I trimmed frogs, the more sound the horses were...... Every time I have learned to back off, my horses became more sound and the rehabilitation of pathologies accomplished more quickly. I was a just a bit slower in seeing the same truth about the bars. Now Iíve come to view them as a critically important weight-bearing structure and see that as with every other part of the foot, over-trimming them makes them grow too long; too fast.
Northern is offline  

Quick Reply

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:


Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.

Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Froggy would like more pity please... corinowalk Horse Pictures 10 09-18-2011 01:30 AM
Have a go at Froggy. Full Critique please! corinowalk Horse Riding Critique 12 06-01-2011 09:37 AM
Any fellow anime geeks? cottncandykoala Movies, Music, and TV 6 06-29-2010 02:25 AM
Calling tech geeks. PaintsPwn General Off Topic Discussion 0 05-22-2010 10:15 PM
11 year old GEEKS Spyder Technology 10 03-28-2009 10:55 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome