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    03-29-2009, 10:51 AM
  #11
Weanling
So since you are from Australia, I must have misunderstood. Coronitis is an autoimmune disease where their body attacks the skin at the coronary band, and is genrally incurable, and attacks all hooves. Looks like your horse had LAMINITIS, which can be triggered by diet change, or excess grain. Different "itis".

You don't need shoes to fix what's going on with that front foot. His heels need to be shortened and the toe rockered, and you don't need shoes for that. It will help reconnect the coffin bone and eliminate the rotation if done right.Shoes can actually make it worse. Now it makes sense why the vets said not to worry, as a mild degree of rotation with laminitis is common. Still needs to be fixed, but is just part of the episode he had. Also, looks like he struggles with it, so did your vet recommend a diet change to eliminate sugars or starches, or do you know what triggered the episode? Certainly not the worst case I've seen, but the trim does need a little something different or it will stay that way.
Thanks for posting pics! Now it's clear!
     
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    03-29-2009, 11:58 AM
  #12
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I can see the effects of laminitis in those pictures but nope not clubbed at all.

The only problem I see is that horses that have had laminitis can be more prone to it again, so you need to be careful.
     
    03-29-2009, 01:19 PM
  #13
Trained
First thing that stood out to me is that his heels need to come down/back, but it's really not nearly what I expected. This is totally do-able! I totally agree with BFH, again, of course. Stay away from shoes; they will only weaken his already weak laminae. Get a good trimmer, review his diet and watch for improvements!
     
    03-29-2009, 07:59 PM
  #14
Weanling
Ok it ISNT laminitis!! We got x-rays to confirm that, the way his hooves look at the moment have nothing to do with what im asking. He had corronitis which completly exploded out of his corronet and he continued to get mild cases of every month up until 2 months ago, that's why his hooves are like that. We alreay looked at his diet, it was the first thing we did and yes we changed it so he WOULDNT get laminitis, which he didnt get. As I said, his hooves aer way better than they were and they are on the road to recovery, it wasnt and isnt as simple as a couple of trims to fix the problem. But they are being trimmed to correct them. Its a slow process. Im pretty sure he was born with the rotation and he has always been like it. Before he got corronitis his hooves were trimmed correctly with shorter more back heals, I showed you these pics so you could get the general idea of their shape. I have been through 6 months of this. No one know exactly what caused it but every one was thinking that it was some kind of intoxication from a plant of some sort that was in his paddock. We have since cleared the paddock and jsut left grass and gum trees. Every thing for his hooves has been looked at and changes were made. We have a good farrier who is in the process of fixing his hooves. We have had 4 vets look at him and he didnt have laminitis, we spent 100s of dollars figuring that out. And once his hooves are good enough (which is hopefully in about a month) he DOES need shoes, just normal ones, not corrective ones. My farrier and 3 different vets told me this.

ok just forget about the rotation of his bone for a minute. Does anyone have experience or know anything about hooves that grow straight down instead of out, no matter how they are trimmed?

Thanks for all your help every one!! Lol I guess I havent really been explaining it very well! HAHA! Keep your opinions comming! Haha!

Oh and the corronitis in australia is very curable, it just takes a long time! It can trigger laminitis, which we DID NOT want him to get!!!! Obviously! Haha!
     
    03-29-2009, 10:01 PM
  #15
Weanling
Okay, well, coronitis is an autoimmune disease that is chronic, meaning it will never go away, and will in all likelyhood cause severe lameness eventually. It's treatable, not curable, worldwide. In New Zealand it's thought to be caused by spider bites (but that isn't proven).They really don't know why it happens. Most of the time it's thought to be allergies, etc before it's diagnosed. It can affect all the skin on the horse, but in coronitis, it's specifically in the coronet as hoof horn is specialized skin cells, and is also likely visible in his ergots (funny nubby thing in the fetlock) and chestnuts (bald skin callouses above the knees and below the hocks).
However, ANY inflammation that would occur with that is also causing laminitis, maybe not Acute, Severe laminitis, but laminitis it is. The technical medical defininiton of laminitis is inflammation of the lamina (connective layers that attatch the hoof wall to bone), it's not always the crippling, walking on eggs, and penetration of the sole, kind. Any growth rings on the hoof wall are scars, you could say, that are where the lamina attatchement failed, this is why there is a ridge. At some point, the wall is trying to grow re-attatched, and will grow exactly in line with the coffin bone. Horses that have "grass rings" have laminitis rings! Any rippling of the hoof wall is sign of laminitis, yet the horse may never take a bad step.
And since I'm giving a text book response, your horse is foundered. Meaning,in general, there is rotation. No horse is born rotated! It's a pathology developed from trauma, crappy farrier work or diet, or disease, or any combination thereof.
I never said 2 simple trims would cure it, but one good trim can set the coffin bone back in the proper postition, relieve the leverage that rips the compromised wall away from it, and allows it to grow down reattatched, with regular trims following up. The hoof isn't healed until the whole thing is regrown reattatched, and may take as little as 8 months or as much as over a year, depending on the situation,if the other factors are corrected.
Shoes are usually much less successful in correcting the problem, as they suspend the hoof capsule by the lamina, that is weak already, and promote sinking of the hoof bones into the hoof capsule. Laminits, as you said, can be caused by coronitis, so as long as he's suffering from that, even with treatment, the prognosis is not great for him to be sound, EVER.
The hoof growing straight down is where the healthy, attatched wall is, and tells you how the coffin bone is oriented within the hoof. Trim to make that angle match (and that would be the normal angle for him) and relieve the toe and you will be on the road to a happier horse, until his next flare up, at least. Sorry to say, it's just likely to be a life long battle for you and your horse, and you may never know why he has the flare ups. I wish you luck and hope research finds answers soon to help him. I can point you an intresting article about it by Derek Knottenbelt that has done a lot research in England about this.
     
    03-29-2009, 10:08 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by barefoothooves    
Any growth rings on the hoof wall are scars, you could say, that are where the lamina attatchement failed, this is why there is a ridge....... Horses that have "grass rings" have laminitis rings! Any rippling of the hoof wall is sign of laminitis, yet the horse may never take a bad step................And since I'm giving a text book response, your horse is foundered. Meaning,in general, there is rotation. No horse is born rotated! It's a pathology developed from trauma, crappy farrier work or diet, or disease, or any combination thereof.
I agree and that is what I saw on those hoves. Seems to be under control now but once foundered even mildly you have to be very careful.
     
    03-29-2009, 10:35 PM
  #17
Weanling
Ok thanks guys! You have been a great help! Sorry, I didnt mean to snap, but its a fairly sensitive subject for me. That's what I meant treatable, not curable. Haha! Ill see how his hooves grow out within the next few months. I have added some extra supliments into his diet and I am going to give him a calcium suppliment once I get ahold of some. I know it may not help but it could. The last month they seem to be growing ok so we will see what happens. If they continue to grow the way they are im going to get the vet out agian. Thanks again!

And spyder, thanks we have been and are being very very careful!! Thanks
     
    04-01-2009, 09:34 PM
  #18
Weanling
I have a 13hh palomino pony not sure what breed he is. He has feet just like that, very upright and grow straight down. He is now 30 something years old and I have had him over 10 years. I never did too much on him, just WTC, trail rides, and some cross rails and small verticals. He has not had an off day in his life and still has no trouble from his feet, just stiff joints but pretty darn good for his age.
     

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