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    02-20-2010, 08:50 PM
What I can see in pictures it looks like the frog needs to be trimmed properly. Which is cleaning the v shape of the frog with a loop knife so no dirt can get trapped in there and treat the frog for thrush and it should grow back just fine.
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    02-21-2010, 12:56 PM
Mercedes -- the frog was heavily trimmed for the thrush a while back and I am currently letting it grow back in. I habitually only trim areas that might tear or, as you say, allow dirt to accumulate. The frog is indeed making contact and there is no evidence of thrush in my opinion any longer. Maybe the frog looks rough because of the earlier trim job. I don't think there is much dead crappy stuff there anymore. I also wet the hoof before taking the pictures to hopefully improve the pictures, so maybe it looks funny because of that. And, yes as I said, I did note that my trim was not balanced, but I'm working on it. I think the heels are even now though. I will look again next time, just in case. When she came to me she was much more toed out than she is now and I have definitely been working on that. I find her heels harder to read than I first thought I think.

But, Mercedes, do you have any opinion on the apex area?

Anvil -- You also are talking of trimming the frog. Can one of you please photoshop my pic to indicate what areas you are talking about? Anvil, do you think that maybe this "hole" is just where the frog needs to grow back in then?

Appyt -- I don't think it's from an abscess or bruise. She did have an issue several months back and I posted a thread on it, but it was nowhere near this location. It was basically in the heel triangle area.
    02-21-2010, 01:01 PM
P.S. Just wanted to say thanks to you all for responding intelligently as usual. Much appreciated!
    02-21-2010, 01:06 PM
NorthernMama, I would not trim the frog either unless you have large loose stuff. Usually those will resolve on their own if the heels are not way high anyway. I prefer to allow nature to work it out when possible. I don't worry about little dirt trappin areas(like at the heels) either unless a problem develops. Just work on the walls being balanced to the sole. Don't worry about fixing toeing out or in. If it's natural for that horse then damage can be caused in joints if you try to alter it. Not sure if you were doing that, just wanted to bring it up.
    02-21-2010, 01:30 PM
I'm not trying to fix her toe out, but I do find it makes it more difficult to keep her heels even. Or maybe it's that one side grows faster than the other. I dunno, but it's not as pronounced now as it once was. Or at least, I like to tell myself that.
    02-21-2010, 03:30 PM
Ok, gotcha.. I know my horses with toe out and toe in's do wear(or grow) them uneven. When you trim often that helps so much to keep them from going really wonky. :)
    02-21-2010, 08:31 PM
Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
I'm not trying to fix her toe out, but I do find it makes it more difficult to keep her heels even. Or maybe it's that one side grows faster than the other. I dunno, but it's not as pronounced now as it once was. Or at least, I like to tell myself that.
When one side/one heal grows more than the other it is because the hoof is not bearing equal weight, suggesting that you're not getting the foot properly balanced from the start, so that it's always a bit out and then gets more out of balance by the uneven weight bearing. The after trim picture shows that the heels are not right yet.

The only other time you get uneven wear/growth is when you have a lameness issue. It doesn't have to an obvious head bob. It can be a jammed shoulder, a stuck neck, a crooked breast plate, a dropped hip etc...

In terms of your apex...if the frog is currently undiseased, hits the ground it's entire length, and in the process of healthy regrowth, then presumably it will regrow at the apex.
    02-22-2010, 12:55 AM
[QUOTE]When one side/one heal grows more than the other it is
Because the hoof is not bearing equal weight, suggesting
That you're not getting the foot properly balanced from the

Not necessarily. When a horse is pigeontoed or spayfooted due to conformation they will wear the hoof unevenly.
    02-22-2010, 09:11 AM
Thanks Appyt. I wanted to say that same thing yesterday but couldn't word it right.
    02-22-2010, 09:37 AM
Heck, I wear my heels uneven too. Evidently I walk a bit heavier on the inside of my heels. My shoes testify to that. I do track straight, not splay footed tho. ;)

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