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post #1 of 12 Old 07-07-2011, 11:04 AM Thread Starter
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Wink Hoof natzis please critique

Critique this farrier's trim please. What do you like, what do you not like, what would you do differently or just a plain ole looks good - looks bad will do.

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Not a hoof natzi per say, but I like how he took the wall back on the first horse. Angles aren't too shabby from what he started off with, I'd love to see the results you get after another trim or two. I prefer the heel on the LF compared to the RF on the second horse, but with the length of the feet he was given to work with I'd say he'll have those evened up in no time.

Also, it could just be the placement of the feet in the front views, but on both horses one foot seems longer than the other - but I'm going to assume it's just how the horse is standing.
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Thanks :)

They are the same size, just the camera angle and how the horse is standing. The gledings (2nd horse) angles are a bit different from foot to food due to how he wears his left front. He fractured his ankle and tore a tendon as a colt.



Anyone else? I'm so sick of doing the farrier dance.
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The horses were really needing trimming in the before pictures. I would see what the farrier does on the next trim. Chances are he is fine. The main thing is whether the horses are sound. Also, does the farrier show up when he says he will. (I should say he or she.) If I were riding them where I live, they would get shoes. This would control the wear and prevent bruizing. We have a lot of rocks. Shoes do a lot more harm than good if you leave them on too long. 6 - 8 weeks depending on the growth rate is max for most horses.
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If I were riding them where I live, they would get shoes. This would control the wear and prevent bruizing. We have a lot of rocks. Shoes do a lot more harm than good if you leave them on too long. 6 - 8 weeks depending on the growth rate is max for most horses.
? Color me confused, but what does this have to do with the OP's question
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Well good :) No one has pointed out anything horribly awkward.

I am the farrier. Sick and tired of playing the farrier dance, no one will take my geldings toes off and no one will keep my mares contracted heels low so we've started trimming our own. I feel that they are nicely balanced, angles should improve over the next couple of trims, I did not take them as short as most farriers do however these two get tender after farrier visits and I'm trying to avoid that.
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Personally, I think they look rather decent! I don't see anything glaringly wrong with the trim whatsoever!!! Great job!!
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Well good :) No one has pointed out anything horribly awkward.

I am the farrier. Sick and tired of playing the farrier dance, no one will take my geldings toes off and no one will keep my mares contracted heels low so we've started trimming our own. I feel that they are nicely balanced, angles should improve over the next couple of trims, I did not take them as short as most farriers do however these two get tender after farrier visits and I'm trying to avoid that.
nicely played!
Have you had any experience trimming previous to this? Hopefully we can get a hoof expert on this thread to do some nit-picking so you can have a surely knowledgeable opinion.

Also, I hear SO many people saying "my farrier cut my horse too short now he's sore", or "my horse is normally tender after a trim"
Where have all the reliable farriers gone in this world? :roll:
Okay, one ouchy trim on an unfamiliar horse is understandable, but there is nothing normal about a horse consistantly coming up sore after a trim. Glad to see you can actually comprehend that
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Hi there, No hoof- or any other kind of- 'nazi' here!! Just a hoof care practitioner!

Firstly, pics & angles aren't the best for best critique, sorry. See my signature link for a good example of critique shots.... and not assuming you haven't, but if you want/need to do more research(& who knows everything??), look at the other link... full of links!

From what I can see, it appears you've likely done a good job at balancing medial-laterally(side to side), & pretty reasonable all round. Especially if you are still relatively unpracticed at trimming, you should be very pleased with yourself.

*If* you've pared/rasped into toe callous on the pally, then IMO you've gone a little bit too far. I'm guessing you've hardly done this tho, if at all. For all I can tell, you may have just scraped away a bit & it looks white there. You *may* be able to take the heels back a bit further on them, tho can't really tell from those angles. You *may* also be able to 'scoop' the quarters a tad more too. Also something I can't really tell from those pics tho.

Buck looks like he's got a fair bit more flaring. LF on him looks a bit clubby?
The one thing I'm reasonably sure of, based on these pics, is that (IMO) you need to 'roll' the outer walls all round and bevel toes etc to treat any flares, a/p(front to back) balance & lamellar stretching. I've marked one of your pics to show the kind of thing I mean - I'd bevel/roll the entire outer wall from the ground surface, and do it a lot more strongly in areas of flaring, such as pally's stretched toes. The hoof walls at ground surface(footprint) on a flat surface would end up something like the green line.

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I prefer the heel on the LF compared to the RF on the second horse, but with the length of the feet he was given to work with I'd say he'll have those evened up in no time.
With respect, I don't know how you can categorically say that, based on just this little info, and the fact that one hoof could well be clubby - may be best *not* evened up with the other? If that is your opinion, it would be helpful to provide reasons for your preference?

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The horses were really needing trimming in the before pictures. .... If I were riding them where I live, they would get shoes. This would control the wear and prevent bruizing.
Agree with Celeste's 1st comment above, but I presume now you're doing them yourself, they will no longer be going too long between trims! I disagree with the comment about shoes preventing bruising, as if we're talking normal metal rims & uneven(normal) ground, there is no protection for the sole or frog, or any support for the base of the foot. Shoes do prevent wear of the hoof walls though, and can reduce feeling, so they may not feel stone bruises & the likes so much.

Oh, & another attached diagram, that might help you understand what I mean about treating flares...
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Thank-you much loosie :)

This is what I was seeing and wanted some feed back on. Most of what I am doing is self taught with a lot of online research and a little "apprenticing" (a lot of good that does when I do not like the work of any of the farriers though)

The palomino still has plenty of easily flaking soul left, the last couple of farriers did not do much with a hoof knife or trim her bars well.

As far as her son, the "clubby" foot I think is happening due to how he is walking. As a yearling he fractured his ankle and strained a tendon, his tendon is still swollen but he is vetted sound. I haven't tried to correct him much, or really match his front feet up. Any opinions? And thanks again.
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