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post #11 of 16 Old 06-29-2008, 02:17 PM
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6 week intervals would most likely suffice, and you can always schedule the next a little sooner if your horse is getting more much more than a 1/4 in nipped off. If it's less than that, 6 weeks should suffice.

Ahh, yes, they like to find the ONE spot that you'd like to have them avoid, eh? LOL Is he digging enough to wear out the toe between trims or is it just this one blowout that has you worried? Really, boots aren't practical for all day wear, just for exercise of short term therapy for founder/navicular. I'd patch up that last section of unmatted floor, or not worry, unless he's wearing out the hoof, which is unlikely.

Just out of curiostity, does his foot look ANYTHING like this? The first two are the same foot, before and after, the last is another horse. :

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post #12 of 16 Old 06-29-2008, 10:49 PM Thread Starter
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Hello, thanks for the photos, it looks similar to the middle photo.
I'm working on getting the barefoot farrier out as soon as possible but that's like me and one-hundred other folks right?
Anyway, I hope to try again to take photos, my night shots did not come out well.

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post #13 of 16 Old 06-30-2008, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by barefoothooves
Hotreddun,Keep your husband's dremmel away. LOL A lot of farriers will notch the wall with the edge of the rasp above the crack like your husband is thinking, to stop it from traveling upward, but as that grows out, then you have a weaknd area that is going to want to break off bigger than it would have, plus, you are weakening the wall enough to invite more bacteria in, probably not the best idea if you are struggling with that already.

And with a dremmel, it's very easy to take off more than you had planned, same with grinders, etc. and I'm just old-school enough I don't care for the power tools to be brought it. LOL They can heat up, too.I can gripe all day about it, but some farriers really like to use them. One of the vets around here uses a dremmel on cracks if they have WLD and makes a crack wider and smooth without a total hoof resection to make medicating easier, but that's just for special occasions.

Really, I find that a little notch at the bottom, just enough to make a triangle to the crack will take that spreading force off the crack enough to stop it (if it's a dramatic crack, the less severe ones I don't even do that with) and make sure that bevel is up to par, and that is plenty to stop the crack. On my website, if you look up case studies, look under Misty, aged qh mare. She is in her teens and had had a persistent toe crack for over 10 years. And over the winter we had it nearly grown out before I went on leave. All I did was that bevel, slight notch at the bottom, and 4 week interval for the second trim, and 6-8 weeks after that

I was thinking when I read your post that you were keeping yours on a 2 week rotation all the time, and thought to myself "Something is wrong with that trim!" but I understand now. Still after a couple of months you should be weaning back to 3-4 weeks.Even with severe founder, after a couple of months, I drop my trimming intervals back to 4 weeks. I would like to see the radiographs, out of nosyness, because I have seen what wedges can do for a hoof and it's not pretty. But I think would be good for other people to see on here, as well. Educational!
I'm tryiing to figure out how to put the xrays on here. They are in some weird "view-only" program from the vet...and I can't seem to get a picture file off the cd? I'll keep working on it...I might have to just take screen-shots or something.

Anyway...it was interesting to hear that my husband who has never really been around horses until he met me actually did have a similar idea to many vets and farriers...even if it wasn't necessarily the right thing to do. :) I guess engineers and farriers have a lot in common.

We already have the hind feet on a 4 week rotation...I'm hoping those front hooves will come around soon. I am posting an after-trim pic of our most "troubled" hoof. This hoof has the toe crack...and this fetlock has a bone chip and osteoarthritis in it. It grows out funny...I need to get before pictures next time... Basically (I think because of his crooked fetlock angle) the outside wall grows out quickly. Then because the wedge shoes crushed his heels his toe still has a tendency to grow out quickly. By the way...I need to dig up some old pics...because we were so happy about how much heel he has in these pics now! Anyway, see that sort of bulgy area (just to the right in pic of the crack with foot down)...that was where we thought we had some weakened laminae from April-May. Then in the 2nd picture...opposite the bulge on the other side of the crack is that weird dark material on the white line at the top of the pic. Weak laminae? Bacteria? He didn't founder but he was about one micro small step away from doing so. So I guess technically he had acute laminitis...but people use those words so interchangeably I don't know what is what. There was no coffin rotation...just sensitivity and heat. What do you think? By the way...he has no sensitivity, heat, or lameness now...that all went away by mid-May.

By the way...SORRY for hijacking this thread justice!

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post #14 of 16 Old 06-30-2008, 09:27 AM
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Actually, his heels don't look too bad, other than the wall is a tad thin there, (could be due to the wedges, etc) They look perfectly adequate as is, I don't know that I'd want to keep growing them taller, they look about right for the hoof, at least in this pic...and the frog is NICE!!!

I marked up your pics and am re-posting them. The marks are aproximate guides, not exact (it's hard to draw with a mouse!) The front quarters is what your asking about for the white line, and they are just a shade long. The toe is right, and the heels are fine, the magenta marks I made is where I would be shortening the hoof wall, a tad, to balance it out, from the sole level. Leave it as long as the wall at the heel and toe, and that stretched look will grow out. In the " from above" pic, the little bulge could be smoothed out with a bevel and that's about all it needs. That bulge, if left can promote that toe crack.

And the crack..it doesn't look like it goes all the way to the white line from the sole angle, so just keep up the good bevel and it should grow right out. At least, that's my assessment from the pics. And you should be able to go 4 weeks with what you've got if you tweak those little bits. Like I said, the heel isn't looking bad at all, in these pics,and you don't want to go too high with it.
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post #15 of 16 Old 06-30-2008, 09:33 AM
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If you want to get good pics, try to use indirect sunlight or bright indoor lights. Camera flash tends to wash out the pic somthing horrible. Even if you have to have a lantern or flashlight held by someone else, it can give you a better lighting than the flash and still show the details.

That pic you said it resembles the most is a nasty abscess blowout. It took that whole chunk and left it hanging, so I just nipped off the "hangnail" and the horse was fine. It's all grown out like it never was now. Just left that exposed part alone and trimmed the rest of the foot as normal. The abscess was from a puncture in the whiteline (similar to a shoe nail hole) and I was called to correct the damage. It might not have torn so much but the hoof was overgrown when it 'blew".
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post #16 of 16 Old 06-30-2008, 11:00 AM
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Thanks for the input. I will tweak those little bits...and just take a little more off the quarters. I guess because I am new to this sometimes I play it a little to conservative. :) It still scares me a little bit every time I trim. (Truthfully probably another reason I get out there every 2 weeks...because then I have to take less off and it worries me less.)

The more I look at those pics the more I am proud of those heels! Once I figure out how to post those xrays...people will be amazed! The last xrays where we have the good heel growth...you can actually see where the heel material is not as dense as the rest of the hoof...but it's getting there!
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