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    05-25-2009, 02:00 PM
Originally Posted by Solo    
northernmama: If he had WLD would the farrier have said something? As I mentioned in an earlier post I have never felt any heat (before or after being worked) in any part of his hooves, he is not lame, he is not sore, does not have any problems with hoof testers, no flattening of the sole or dishing anywhere, and no hollow sound when tapped with numerous items. The hoof actually feels pretty solid (despite all the cracks) and I understand that is probably hard to believe considering what they look like.

I am only applying the cream to the coronary band.

Thank you for all the help!

Is it okay to ride him when his feet are in this condition?

Your farrier may or may not have said something. IMO, it is obvious that this farrier lacks some skill somewhere -- whether it's communication, open-mindedness or something more technical.

WLD does not always show pain symptoms until very far advanced. The hoof may feel solid to you, but a strong hoof is stronger than a steel shoe, so without experience you may not be able to tell how strong that foot really is or isn't. If your horse isn't lame, you could ride him, but I, personally, wouldn't do more than a walk until this situation is properly assessed and in positive treatment. Heartache may be around the corner.

I'm glad to hear you are looking after this. Please do everything in your power to get another farrier / trimmer out there to look at him.
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    05-25-2009, 03:27 PM
Not snippy at all just concern for your horse :)! I have done my horses feet before, I have 4 ,and all though I can nip and file and take off the flares I do not trust myself to balance them correctly. Usually back feet are shorter this could explain why they fair a little better the natural trim the hooves are typically (not always) 3 to 3 1/2 inches long. More weight is also on the front hooves. I am so against shoes. My AQHA had 2 abcesses and a quarter crack until I pulled the shoes against vet and previous farriers advice. I think I saved my horses life. His whole personality changed as his feet healed he went from dangerous and cranky to a big Teddy!
    05-25-2009, 03:31 PM
Maybe you already discussed this but is he stalled? Or is he free to move? Being in a stall is also hard on the hooves. Lack of movement means the hooves do not wear down so the horse produces softer hooves in hopes to wear them down easier.
    05-25-2009, 05:45 PM
I got the new pictures they are uploading as I type this. I will post them once they are finished. I emailed a farrier and I left a message for another, we will see what responses I get back.

Qtswede: I got the pictures they will be up in about fifteen minutes. Are you swedish by the way?

Luvs2ride1979: The farrier was instructed by the vet to round the toe and move the shoes farther back to support the bulb about 3 months ago. Indy's feet were doing extremely well with this. It would appear that he has forgotten to do it this time? Question for you. The supplement I have him on now seems to have been working wonders for his feet. Could that just have been the appearance on the outside? There was such a noticeable difference from when I got him.

Northernmama: I emailed one guy and called the guy that the barn down the road uses. I have had no luck finding anyone who is a "barefoot trimmer" but I do not know anything about these two men other then they are recommended by other riders in the area. When I hear back from them I will ask them. I figure that at this point it doesn't really matter if they are or not, I just need to get someone else out to look at him.

Chella: I am glad to hear that you did not think I was being snippy :] The one thing I dislike about forums is that it is hard to really know for sure how someone meant for something to be said in certain situations. I am wondering if this may have something to do with his behavioral issues (I have a thread titled behavioral issues under horse training from a while back). Maybe he is in pain and I am not realizing it. Some days he will be the sweetest boy and some days it will be like trying to ride a bronc. He vetted fine about two months ago when I was trying to get to the bottom of it and she was even impressed with how much better his feet are doing. He lives outside 24/7 365. I strongly believe that horses that are kept outside (granted they are healthy enough) are much healthier then those kept stalled every day. I would LOVE to be able to trim his feet, that would be very interesting.

Okay here are the pictures from today. I had them organized into left front and right front but my computer scrambled them. I hope it doesn't make to much of a difference.

    05-25-2009, 05:48 PM
Here are some pictures of underneath his hoof to

ETA PLEASE READ I forgot to mention that I have never noticed the underside of his hoof being white like that until this week. When I completely clean out the inside of his hoof that is what happens and it kind of crumbles if I scrape at it, like powder almost. When I touch it nothing happens. The underside of his hind hooves are black and I thought that the fronts were too.
    05-25-2009, 05:50 PM
Also thought I should add that I grabbed him out of his muddy paddock to take the pics and only cleaned the insides because I was in a rush. Usually when I am at the barn I make sure his entire hoof is as clean as possible. :]
    05-25-2009, 06:23 PM
The white on his soles is normal -- it is just shedding out. Telling us that he needs it to be scraped out for him because our domesticated horses have too easy of a time in their fancy-fandangled paddocks.

In a nutshell -- follow up on those other farriers. Your horses feet need care other than what they are getting. The angles are off, the heels are forward. Also, see that upside down "V"?? Wait -- let me photoshop it...
    05-25-2009, 06:50 PM
That red line should be straight -- not angled. It's telling you that your horse is trying really hard to grow hoof wall and put his frog on the ground, but since the shoes are there the walls are pushing up on the soft tissue as the frog is desperately trying to push down. I can't seem to word this properly, but your horse wants to do all the right things and the shoes are preventing it.

So, loose the shoes, the walls can grow back healthy and be trimmed with proper angles, lower and backed heels, while the frog can make contact with the ground and spread and grow out. I think your girl would turn around pretty fast with proper care.

Beside is a great pic of what it should look like:
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    05-25-2009, 06:56 PM
The white chalky stuff is what the horse is trying to sluff off. I am not an expert but her heels look underun. Go to a book store and get Pete Rameys book it is very easy to read and understand. Call your vet maybe they can recommend a natural barefoot trimmer in the area or call outside your area to a bordering city vet for a referral. Her behavior good very well be related to her feet. I know where you are at, I was there 2 yrs ago. Your horse is very lucky to have you as her person,
    05-25-2009, 07:09 PM
Northernmama: Wow that was great! Thank you for showing me that! I can't believe that red line is supposed to be straight... What a difference! I have people telling me that if I take his shoes off the wall is going to crumble and he will get stone bruises and be sore and unrideable forever. What do you think of that? I just replied that it would be better for him to get used to that and me not be able to ride for a while then to keep nailing nails back into a CLEARLY distraught hoof. Do you think I will be unable to ride for a while? We have sand in the outside and a very soft dirt on the inside. His paddock is part grass part dirt and at the moment part mud.

Chella: Good call on the heels being under-run. The vet asked the farrier to extend the shoes farther back to support them until they can grow out again. Although, I think I mis-worded that, but she definitely asked him to change something because of the heels being under-run. I feel horrible not being able to remember what it was... hm... Thank you!

Thanks for all the help, especially from you two! I will keep you posted on whether I hear back from these other guys or what happens.

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