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        04-20-2013, 02:46 AM
    I somehow missed this thread earlier it seems! Welcome Icminis, tho sorry to hear the circumstances of our 'meeting'.

    (Surprisingly) I agree pretty much with Trinity. Except that I differentiate sole with lamellar wedge material, so I would say that bevelling back that far is NOT invading the sole anyway. The sole grows from the base of P3 & anything outside that border is not sole. *However if this horse has had long toes long term, it's possible the bone &/or corium has remodelled into a 'ski tip', meaning it is further forward than 'normal'. But I believe Trinity's lines allow for 'margin of error' so that's pretty much by the by.

    Reiterating I know Saddle, but the big 'drastic' thing about that foot - right looks worse than left is the extremely long toe. That will be putting strain on the laminae, the dorsal aspect of the distal interphalangeal joint, the coronary artery, DDFT and navicular region. Removing the excess will do nothing 'drastic' aside from relieve a lot of those problems. As Kyella said, when we get worried about tendon strain is when lowering high heels or otherwise changing angles too much/quickly.

    On the subject of hoof hardeners, I don't tend to think much of the idea. The soles, no matter how hard they are, if thin, still won't provide much protection on hard/rough ground to the internal structures. For that, they need to *grow* thicker. Hardener can also make keratin brittle, so more likely to crack, less flexible. I have not personally looked into the effects of chemicals such as formaldehyde on living tissue, but it is permeable to skin(would include sole but not outer walls) and considered highly toxic. That Dr Bowker & others I respect have looked at it at cellular level and deem it unfit for a horse's hoof(a live one anyway!), especially frogs, is enough for me.
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        04-20-2013, 02:51 AM
    Hey saddle, what did you put into youtube to find stuff from Bowker? I just looked & came up with zilch for 'dr bowker, professor bowker, bob, robert, hoof bowker...
        04-21-2013, 01:23 PM
    Durasole is different than keratex which I am not a fan of and seemed to make the foot brittle not to mention the cost differnce. Durasole actually thickens and helps build the sole by cross linking the proteins. Essentially creating a callus fast. It works. I've gotten it on my fingers and can attest to that.
        04-23-2013, 02:14 AM
    Thank you all for your help, comments, links, suggestions etc. I am taking everythng into consideration, and have been working on Whitey's feet as best as I can. Trimmer is going to start with him on Wednesday.
        05-03-2013, 01:16 AM
    UPDATE: May 2, 2013.

    Posting a bit of an update. I am so sorry that I have not been back here. I have been doing what I can, along with rasping a little (getting guidance via emails...Thanks to those helping me SOOOOO much along the way when you have such busy lives yourselves!) and had a trimmer come and do his feet a little as well.

    So, since the vet diagnosed him on April 10, she said 100% stall rest...not to leave the stall at all, for the next 4 weeks. I tbsp. Bute for 7 days, then try to cut him down. I went against the vet's advice and followed the help given me by a couple of people that stepped up to try to help me, given my circumstances of not have reliable care in my remote area.

    Starting I think on or about April 13, I hand walked him daily for about 10 minutes...the rest of the time he was kept in his well bedded 8' x 16' stall.

    I made the foam pads for him and placed them from the point of the frog back. He kept these on all day, and they were removed at night. The last few days he had them on, I left them on 24/7 and left the toe part "open". He has been totally without pads or boots now since the 29th of April. Also since that time, he has been getting daily turnout for the better part of the day, and coming in at night.

    He has been totally off of his bute since about the 21st I think. (I never kept written notes, so I am trying to go back and come up with the dates, so they are close, but maybe not 100% accurate to the exact day) I did give him Ulcerguard over a 3 day period, just to be cautious, even though he was not showing any outward signs of ulcers. He's been a real trooper!

    I had my hay (heavy alfalfa mix) tested, with the protein being 17.21% / 15.04% and the NFC being 8.80%. I will be switching hay next year to a timothy/grass if at all possible so they can eat more/longer without more calories. I had gotten a thyroid (T4) check done, and all that came back was a "low normal" reading of 13 with 12-37 being the acceptable range.

    I am putting my other horse (mare) on a strict diet as well, as she is a founder just waiting to happen. (F A T !!)

    I FINALLY have the vet coming tomorrow afternoon to do the xrays and bloodwork. It seems I have been waiting for that day to come FOREVER! I am sooo anxious to hear what he says! I am so hoping that it is not founder, or if it was, not severe and that he will become sound enough for riding again. I am truly amazed at how far he has come in such a short while, IF this is in fact founder! Here is a video of Whitey, as of today. Please be sure to click on the little icon that looks like a "gear" and select the 48 version to view. Whitey - May 2, 2013. - YouTube Thanks again for all the help I have received. Will update you all again as I learn more from the vet that comes to do xrays and bloodwork.
        05-03-2013, 07:00 AM
    Loosie, I just double checked. Google Dr. Bowker DVM
        05-03-2013, 08:17 AM
        05-03-2013, 09:04 PM
    Thumbs up Whitey's Update May 3, 2013.

    Yes, he foundered...not sure if while here or in the past (there is no way of knowing), but he IS rotated some, roughly, he thought about 5 degrees, give or take. Right side looked slightly more than the left, which I and some others also thought from viewing pics and video. He will be emailing more precise results after he gets them home, measured and evaluated etc. The GREAT news is, he is good to go! He showed no tenderness at all to his feet with the hoof testers! Now he can go back out to pasture and he and Dream will just have to battle it out. It will now just be a matter of trimming to get him de-rotated. I am SOOOOOO happy! As for restrictions, he said there is no reason he cannot be ridden at a walk, but if on the road (which he will be), he will need to wear boots, for sure! This was just about the BEST news we could have gotten! (other than no rotation)

    Now, on the other hand, Cheyenne, my mare, is an even MORE PRIME candidate for a metabolic disorder and founder! He expressed the importance of getting her onto a diet plan to hopefully avoid it from happening. Bloodwork was drawn on both horses to check for all things metabolic. Not sure how long for the results to come back, but I am anxious to learn where exactly the metabolic issues lay.

    Thank you to ALL for your input! Experience is a truly valuable tool!!
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        05-03-2013, 09:41 PM
    Good to hear the progress! I am sure you are so relieved to have had your "day w the vet" finally come and go....I am happy for you.
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        05-05-2013, 07:02 AM
    Ace! Vid looks good! What a stunning boy he is too! I'd be interested to see his feet now?? Rads??...

    I had my hay (heavy alfalfa mix) tested, with the protein being 17.21% / 15.04% and the NFC being 8.80%. I will be switching hay next year to a timothy/grass
    Why not till next year? While he doesn't look too overweight, he definitely doesn't look like he needs the extra calories of alfalfa, especially if not yet in work. Is your mare on the same? The high Ca levels in alfalfa can also be a problem if not balanced & well worth looking into extra Mg if you can't change yet. I would consider soaking/draining the hay you've got, to reduce energy content.

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