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post #1 of 9 Old 07-26-2013, 01:15 PM Thread Starter
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Horse Still Lame Months After Trim

Hello all,

I have a bit a situation that I'm dealing with, and I wanted to see if anyone has had a similar experience or any advice.

My gelding is around 8 years old (a lot of people think younger) and was previously used by the Amish.

In early May he had a trim by his usual farrier. I'm a newbie to horse ownership, so I use the farrier that 90% of the barn, including the BO, uses.

This was the first time since we've had the horse that he had let his back right hoof be trimmed, he would hold it down or kick out with it before.

He was noticeably sore after the trim, and everyone said it would be a few weeks or so until the soreness went away.

It's now been a few months and he is still sore on the back. It gets a little better or a little worse, but he's definitely been sore since his trim.

I finally decided enough was enough and called the vet, she says its definitely sore and wants to run a battery of tests.

My questions are:

1) What kind of issues can an improper trim cause?
2) What tests should I consent to initially?
3) If the issue is definitely caused by the farrier's action, is it out of line to ask him to pay half the vet bills?

I've contacted another farrier with a whole-body approach to hoof care to have a second look and see what she thinks, I'm hoping to do this before the vet comes out. I talked to the farrier, and at first he said it was normal that he was sore after the trim, now he's saying that the continued soreness is probably unrelated.

I should probably note that the horse has been with us and in training since the fall without any indication of lameness.

Any responses would be appreciated, and please don't take offense at the third question, I'm just not sure what the etiquette is!
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post #2 of 9 Old 07-26-2013, 01:42 PM
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Ohhh dear. 1st off I don't see a pic of your horse's feet here so I am a litle reluctant to say anything. I will say however that the only time I have had a sore footed horse After my farrier trims is if I KNOW I had a problem prior to the farrier starting. And then it was rescues who's feet were a huge mess that took a year to get right or the race TB's that still had the plates on. When the race plates come off they have such thin soles that they are owchy for anywhere between 3 months to 2 years.
If I had a horse with good feet and the farrier left them sore I'd be darn upset. IF they had good feet to begin with.

The rescues that I take in with hideous feet and an unknown past are works in progress when it comes to their feet. It takes at least a year to rebalance a foot or rebalance all 4 feet. In this time it is reasonable that there are times that the horse will be ouchy on one foot or another. Any horse coming from the Amish is at a BIG risk for being unsound in the lower legs and joints. The ONLY reason I would buy a horse from the Amish would be to give it a dignified end, a rescue in other words. I wouldn't expect a lick of work out of that horse, I would expect to pile on the Devil's Claw, MSM and FluidFlex. I would also X-ray from the knees down in front and from the hocks down in back to see how extensive the damage was, not If there is damage but how Much damage there is.

I am hoping for the best for you. With any luck it is just a deep seated abcess that can be parred out and soaked. But it is better to know now before you drive yourself crazy paying for all kinds of useless treatments that don't have a hope of working.
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post #3 of 9 Old 07-26-2013, 01:47 PM
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Being sore after a trim isnt normal period theres other issues if hes still lame months after trim. Any farrier who sores up my horses after every trim is not trimming my horses again.

As far as farrier paying for half the vet bill i dont know if its reasonable or not, doesnt sound reasonable to me any way.

Need to post pictures if you want good help cant tell if hes trimmed proper or not without pictures. All i can say is good luck on finding a good farrier there doesnt seem to be many around that are good.
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post #4 of 9 Old 07-26-2013, 01:49 PM
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Hey I also want to add that such things happen all the time to the best of us. MY QH pony wasn't cheap ( 3K) and arrived in terrible unridable shape. I have a picture somewhere of him looking like he came out of a slaughter pen. Once he beat the rain rot and put on the weight to bring him up to where he needed to be he became sore on his left fore. :/ sigh, so I now am going the same route, x-rays on the ankle and foot. It happens and you deal.
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You are going to need to show us the feet. At this point, it is more than jus tbeing trimmed too short. You could have multiple issues happening inside and outside the hoof and body.

First thing is to make sure the angle of the foot and form is proper. If that isnt right, it can make them body sore and you may spend a fortune trying to track it down in the body when its all in the feet affecting the body. Long back toes come to mind which really affect horses and how they travel. Lots of vets & farriers do not recognise it either and go fishing for everything but that.

So, show us the feet. First order of business to get informed opinions.

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Okay, I'll take some pictures following the guide, I can do it on Sunday. He was in training, being lunged, etc for months before this without showing any sort of issue or lameness. I wish I had taken pictures right after they were done, but now its been two months and I'm not sure how much pictures will show. He was supposed to be done last week by the same farrier, but he didn't get to him. I have another farrier coming out that looks for nutritional deficiencies and does massage on the back and legs to see if anything muscular feels off. She says nerve blocks and xrays would be helpful, so I'll likely book those. He seems to be in good muscle and weight and in generally good condition, and I'm just looking for a horse for trail riding, so I didn't really think an Amish trained horse would be a problem. I knew going into it that he should never jump too high of jumps or do barrel racing, and I'm okay with that. I just really want him to not be in pain.
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I am curious about your comment that this was the first time that the farrier was able to trim that foot because he misbehaved before. To me this sounds like he probably had pain back there before this trim (was he fine for his other feet to be trimmed?) though possibly the trim made it somewhat worse. I agree that photos would be helpful.
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post #8 of 9 Old 07-31-2013, 02:37 PM
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My friend has a horse that did that and it was because his back was out of whack and needed chiro treatments. It went away
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post #9 of 9 Old 07-31-2013, 07:30 PM
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I'm with Tryst. It sounds like this horse had some kind of issue before the trim was done if he was lifting all but that one foot. Often they won't lift one foot if it means putting weight on another leg or foot that is hurting in some way. Also, if that one foot hadn't been trimmed in a while and was overgrown, the farrier may have taken off too much at once and caused some soft tissue damage.
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