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    09-07-2013, 04:58 PM

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    09-07-2013, 04:59 PM
Sorry for so many posts.. My phone would only let me upload one pic at a time. Also sorry if any are sideways!
    09-07-2013, 07:33 PM
Yup, your farrier sucks. Aside from the long toes on both fronts, the angles in the front are also uneven and definite flaring on the "pancake" foot. That foot probably would be fine with proper trimming, BTW. No wedge pad needed, IMO.
The club is what it is, but needs to follow the original growth IMO. Doesn't matter what the "old growth" is. You can't change the natural growth angle.

The backs also have issues. I think that the toe is actually too short on the right hind and possibly on the left. The hell is heading to hell on both and the quarters are likely too high. See how the coronet line is wavy? It shouldn't be. It should be a nice clean straight line. Waviness is indicating uneven pressure on the walls.

I agree: don't wait. Find another farrier.
    09-08-2013, 03:37 AM
First I wanted to compliment you on your subject title, I liked that you are approaching this as how can help my farrier etc.. not my farrier sucks blah blah. As a farrier myself I would much prefer a client who wants to participate and approaches the problem the way you have.

That being said I think it is time to try a new farrier. I don't think the hooves on your horse present a particularly advanced or difficult problem to fix. When I look at each hoof it looks like they belong on four different horses.

That clubbed front is a true club as you probably know. To restate what has already been said and what you know you don't want to change that hoof and cause lameness. Have you considered equine massage? There is a technique you can learn that may give you some good results specifically for club feet, you should be able to find it online. If not I can look for you.

I am a huge barefoot advocate. And without seeing your horse in person I think it is an avenue you should at least consider, especially because it sounds like you are in the market for a new farrier anyway. I know you mentioned that your horses back feet were chipping up badly and that is when you started to put shoes on her. A correctly trimmed barefoot hoof won't chip or make your horse lame or soar. The transition from a poorly shod hoof to a barefoot hoof can take weeks to a year. But your horse is sound and look like she has a good hoof quality so you would be starting in a good place. It sounds like you were already patient with her hoof care so if you are up for it I think it is possible you might have some great success. Of course I don't know what kind of riding you normally do to make this possible.

Sorry this is so long, good luck!
    09-08-2013, 11:03 AM
Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
The hell is heading to hell
Sorry, the HEEL is heading to hell.
    09-08-2013, 04:11 PM
Thank you both for your replies! I have already canceled my next appointment and put in calls to two new farriers that were recommended by the feed store and another boarder.

Northernmama, after reading your comment on her hind feet I did notice today that her right hind is shorter than her left hind. I also see what you mean about the coronet band being wavy though i'm not sure I understand how that is corrected.

Roux, thank you for the compliment. The lady doing her feet is very nice and I thought maybe she just needed some help "thinking outside the box" but it seems like i'm just better off finding someone new. It's good to hear the problem(s) shouldn't be too difficult to fix.

I'm curious.. in general, how is it determined if a club is a "true club" or if it is something that has developed through injury or eating habits?

I've never tried equine massage but am absolutely open to it! Over the past couple of days i've really noticed how "jammed up" her left shoulder seems to be and how much higher it does appear than the right when i'm in the saddle. I think massage could definitely benefit her so I will start researching some techniques that could help club feet!

As far as going barefoot.. i'm not opposed to the idea but I am slightly hesitant just due to the huge amount of rocks where I board. About a year and a half ago (at a different boarding facility) I did try to go barefoot but the toe on the clubbed foot was getting too worn down and she was becoming a little short strided. Once we put the shoes back on she was fine. I did however really like how much her heel on the clubbed foot expanded. With all that being said.. it was with the same farrier and maybe going barefoot could be better with a new farrier.

Also, not sure if this information is needed but I ride her typically 5-6 days a week, 1/2 hour to 1 1/2 hours each ride.
    09-08-2013, 09:06 PM
LYH, the wavy coronet is due to uneven pressure on the walls of the hoof. Even, correct trimming will fix that.
    09-08-2013, 10:44 PM
Looks like limb length disparity is the cause of your club. You should find Dr. Esco Buff on facebook and send him a quick message. He is also a farrier. And yes. Time for a new farrier. See if Esco has a recommendation.
    09-09-2013, 12:52 PM
Your horse has the curve in her clubbed foot that tells me it is really a club - probably a level 2-3? When looking at the hoof from the side the silhouette from the hair line to the toe is straight on a typical hoof. On your mare the silhouette begins to curve out about half way down.

Many people think there horse has a club when in fact they just have an upright hoof or have gone too long without a trim. In your case my guess it that the club is probably genetic but may be exacerbated by other factors. The funny thing about a club to me is that some horses with a mild club are never sound and some that are pretty severe never go lame, and visa versa. So like what was said before if it ain't broke don't fix it lol.

Transitioning to barefoot takes a while. The toe calculus that is currently "protected" by the shoe will need to drop and harden up. The hoof wall that has been damaged by the nail holes will need to grow out. A mustang roll with also need to be rasped into the hoof to facilitate break over and create a good hoof. Until then the hoof will be prone to chipping but this is the natural healing process of getting the barefoot hoof. It can take a long time but if you are interested there is a lot of info on how to help your farrier accomplish it.

The most important thing to remember is that the correct barefoot hoof is not created by a "pasture trim" or a "broodmare trim" nor is it accomplished by your farrier trimming the hoof the same way they would before trimming for shoes.

Hope this helps!
    09-10-2013, 10:21 AM
Originally Posted by Trinity3205    
Looks like limb length disparity is the cause of your club. You should find Dr. Esco Buff on facebook and send him a quick message. He is also a farrier. And yes. Time for a new farrier. See if Esco has a recommendation.
Thanks, Trinity! I found his article on limb length disparity, very interesting! Based on the way her shoulder seems so jammed up on the clubbed side and the fact that she seems to be stepping up when it gets really long I could definitely see some relation. I will see if I can find him on facebook and send him a quick message.

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