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  • Pictures of club feet in horses
  • Farrier leave toe too long?

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    09-10-2013, 10:12 PM
Green Broke
This is what a healthy foot should look like

This looks more like your mares

And this is what a 'healthy' clubbed foot should/could look like
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    09-10-2013, 11:12 PM
Going through this post I have just realised my lead pony has slightly club feet
    09-14-2013, 06:05 PM
The heels on the right fore will never fully improve until the farrier removes ALL the excess heel and then also backs up the toe (NOT shorten the toe from the bottom..there is a huge difference between backing up the toe (moving the breakover point more rearward ) and 'shortening toe' from the bottom.
There is a tremendous amount of distortion in that foot's outer structure and the farrier is nit seeing it, and subsequently shoeing to the distortion instead of shoeing to where the foot should be.
There is significant flare in the toe and it begins very high up on the front of the foot.Therefore the angle of the bone inside that foot is a lot more upright than the farrier thinks it is because the flare on the toe is causing an optical illusion of a lower hoof angle. The true angle of the bones inside does nit match the outer angle, guaranteed. Traditionally taught farriers(like this one) see the foot as needing more heel when in fact it needs less heel.

After the foot is realigned by correct trimming IF it needs a wedge (unlikely) then a wedge that also incorporates frog support can be used but NEVER EVER wedge up under run heels. TRIM them off, then wedge them.

The other foot, the club foot also has some serious farrier issues particularly the flare in the end of the toe. Leaving that flare can cause the heels to rapidly regrow, backing up the toe by removing the flare will change some tendon/ligament tension issues in the leg and can help the foot to eventually release some of the excess heel. When it is ready. Many farriers leave the flare on a club foot in a futile attempt to try to make the feet match better but that always leads to even more problems for both feet, they must be treated as individuals. A club foot will not ever and can not match the other foot so do not expect it to.
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    09-14-2013, 06:14 PM
I found some pictures from when the same farrier first started shoeing my horse if anyone is interested... correct me if i'm wrong but I personally feel like her feet have just gotten worse as time went on..
The have. Seriously bad now. The fact the farrier set the toe of the shoe on the club foot forward began the process of making it so bad now it looks foundered (similar to a foundered foot mechanically but not the same cause) . The heels are too long on the low foot with toe flare. The toe too long on the club foot, making toe flare. The leverage in the toe of both feet causing lots of other issues. . Find a new new farrier because a horse owner can not re educate a farrier.

Go to his site and watch some of the free short videos, you will be enlightened. Hoofcare Today - Hoofcare Today

THEN go to this site and read the articles about mapping and trimming feet (which also applies to shoeing) and look in the farrier trimmer referral lists and see if there is anyone in your area. Al the farriers certified by the ELPO will understand the hoof distortions your horse has and how to fix them. Equine Lameness Prevention Organization
    09-14-2013, 06:17 PM
Glad I'm not the only one lol.
Seeing what looks like a scar on the other pastern could point to a supporting limb laminitis. I'd for sure have that foot x-rayed.
It is just a very badly mis- managed club foot. They end up looking very similar to a foundered foot. The flared toe causes leverage and abnormal deep flexor tendon/check ligament tension that rotates the coffin bone even more and causes the heels to re grow faster than normal. It is easily reversed. A new farrier is needed before any money spent on Xrays, IMO.
    09-14-2013, 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by Patty Stiller    
It is just a very badly mis- managed club foot. They end up looking very similar to a foundered foot. The flared toe causes leverage and abnormal deep flexor tendon/check ligament tension that rotates the coffin bone even more and causes the heels to re grow faster than normal. It is easily reversed. A new farrier is needed before any money spent on Xrays, IMO.
Thank You. I have never seen a club foot with this kind of " founder" heel growth.....
    11-30-2014, 08:22 PM
Hi Everyone!

It has been quite a while since I updated this thread... I tried using the farrier that most boarders at my barn love and unfortunately it just didn't seem like it was the right fit. He was very nice and super patient with my mare, however he felt her feet didn't "look too bad" and I saw no progress in her feet getting more balanced. My mare was also pulling her shoes at 5 weeks every single time he shod her.

So I found another farrier that one other boarder is currently using. He is also highly recommended by a local vet. This farrier has done my mare's feet 3 times now and will be shoeing her for the 4th time this Wednesday and so far I'm quite pleased! Overall her feet look better balanced than they previously looked, even in a rather short amount of time.

I don't have any current pictures but I will try to get some pictures this week of her feet at 6 weeks and then after getting done on Wednesday. I'm curious to see if you guys see the same progress that I'm seeing or what you will think of her feet now! :)
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    12-01-2014, 10:07 AM
Oh, I just read this thread all the way through, and I'm so glad you are seeing some progress! I bet your mare is feeling better, too. Good luck with this new farrier. I hope he keeps improving your mare's hooves and comfort level.
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    01-05-2015, 09:44 PM
Sorry it took so long to get to posting pics! Between bad weather and the holidays it took me longer than expected. These pics are from the day she got her feet done. Unfortunately they are pretty crappy pics and I kept planning on getting better ones on a hard surface but it just hasn't happened yet. I will try to get some better ones this weekend at the 4 week mark. But for now.. Here you go!

For some reason I can't put captions for each pic from my phone so the order is first 2 pics are front left, next 2 are front right, next pic is both fronts, next 2 are left hind, next 2 are right hind
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    01-06-2015, 08:26 AM
Looks like a vastly better trim, to me! How does your horse like it?

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