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    05-16-2013, 02:45 PM
Are you 10000% positive he doesnt have Neck Thread worms? All too often, sweet itch is either entirely or at least partially neck thread worms. A double dose of ivermectin (by weight) once a month or once every two weeks will get rid of them in time and stop or lessen the terrible itching. Google will give you loads more info. Ther eis a HUGE thread on CotH on this
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    05-16-2013, 02:58 PM
Green Broke
I just skimmed over the tread, but you need a qualified farrier. This farrier is not good at all. He should have been able to do a lot more with this horse in one shoeing.

For all you high school seniors wondering what to do with your life, what career path to take, this country needs more farriers and trimmers that know what the heck they are doing. To my farrier--- ILY.
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    05-16-2013, 03:22 PM
I am not ruling out thread worms, my trainer was giving him shots of some kind before I bought him, since last summer. She said that she couldn't give them too him too often because it could cause arthritis, but I am not sure what the meds were called, I can ask her in about 15 mins, I'm driving to the barn right now.

I am currently in search of a new farrier, after hearing everyone say that he 'could've done this ' or 'should've done that' I'm gathering that going with this farrier to start fixing my boys feet was a very bad idea.
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    05-16-2013, 03:53 PM
Green Broke
Sorry that your first horse has so many problems. I hope you did not pay a lot for all these problems. At 10, hopefully you can get some of his issues cleared up, so you have some fun w/him. I'm glad that he has the personality that you like and hope that soon you'll be able to ride your own horse. Good for you for trying to fix his issues.
    05-16-2013, 05:48 PM
I would treat this horse as if he had NTWs. It wont hurt him and may help. Youll know in a month or two if its helping. Often, the horse will become insanely itchy just after you double dose them with the ivermectin as the babies die off and then they wiull improve in the week after. Double dosing with Ivermectin is the only thing that will kill NTW babies that I am aware of. You can't kill the adults. You have to just wait for them to die and keep killing the emerging babys which is what causes the itching.
    05-16-2013, 06:00 PM
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I'm not terribly impressed with the work, personally.

The toes are still too long, IMO and the shoe fits poorly along the sides. The angles are way different in those shod front feet. When I have seen such terrible gaps in the hoof like that, there was filling applied that filled in some of these gaps. That way, there was no "ledge" that catches on things risking ripping the shoe off. Any filling has to be done very carefully by someone who knows what they are doing.
    05-16-2013, 07:34 PM
This is a link to what Trinity is talking about. I would sure give him some ivermectin. It can do wonders if this is what they have.

Onchocerciasis: Helminths of the Skin: Merck Veterinary Manual
    05-20-2013, 08:53 AM
I have quickly read this, as well as your other thread. I have a few thoughts. First, I would caution you against correcting flares too quickly. If they have been there any length of time, trimming them all at once can cause a rotation of sorts, and result in lameness. Ask me how I know-my old guy has arthritis and has a rotated hock to start with (that started rom a congenital deformity) He has had slight flares for years, and has been totally sound. I sent him to a therapeutic riding center on a free lease-their farrier immediately trimmed off the flares-the rotation got worse and the horse was lame until they grew back. JMHO.

I also am not a fan of hoof dressings-only thing I have ever used is Tough Stuff on a freshly shod horse to help keep the shoe on. Other than that they make the owner feel better, and actually make the hooves worse in many cases. They tend to soften them. As has been said-healthy hooves start from the inside.

I am questioning why you bought this horse? Just sounds like you bought a whole lot of problems.

If he roars as badly as you say, I am really baffled as to why you are so concerned (in you other thread) about his pasterns being too long to jump? Again-pasterns are the least of this horses issues. Breathing is necessary. That needs to be fixed before you even THINK of anything but this horse being a pasture pet, no less jumping.
    05-20-2013, 09:03 AM
His roaring may be correctable with surgery. He does sound like a very expensive project that might not work out.
    05-25-2013, 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by Nikkibella    
Simon has his terrible feet that you guys are aware of, he has sweet itch very badly especially in the summer (his coat is finally grown in from last summer, but he is itching his mane and tail BAD now), he's a roarer so badly that when he is just resting in the stall you can hear his roaring standing outside his stall, he gets eye infections but we havent had one lately (i think the fly mask he has now is working really well for him), his hocks click when he walks sometimes and when I try to pick up his back feet (though im not sure what that could be)

Im probably missing something but that's all I can think of for right now

If he's not getting a proper nutritional diet, his immune system is going to bottom out, or did already. He will get infections. He may have arthritis , and the roaring may be better with maintenance.

You can actually see that his feet were a reflection of his diet. A dollar spent today will save you a hundred bucks in the future. If this is the care he's getting, he'd be better off tied to the telephone pole in front of my house.

My BO adds the supplements I buy without charge. If someone neglects their horse, they will take care of it, but they will charge for it. Still they will not have a horse on their property suffer whether it's theirs or not.

Looking at his "before" feet and what you've told about him, I'll bet he has white line disease all the way up his hoof and the farrier was probably praying that his hooves didn't just fall off. I'll bet there's not a whole lot holding those nails, but the farrier might think it's more important to get the protection and base of support with shoes. Because of the nutrition and the WLD and Gawd knows what else, I can only guess that the bigger sized shoes are giving the horse more of support base because the horse doesn't have anything at all. I would think that boots may make the problem worse with the WLD and any other bugs that are growing in there.

Your horse at some point may be fine with going barefoot, but it doesn't look to me like now is the time. I would let the farrier continue trying to salvage what little your horse has left, and in the meantime, your horse needs some really good nutrition. It's hard to say how good or not the farrier is right now after one visit. But you should see good improvement with the next few trims, and Then see if he's doing your horse well. But please get the heck out of that place. Your horse needs proper food, a dry stall and pasture, vitamins, a look at his teeth. And maybe a vet visit just for a check up. Oh, and worm that poor horse, and use Zimectrin Plus or Quest twice, a month apart , and that's how I cleared up sweet itch on several horses.

You're a brave girl with a big heart! And you have come here to the right spot for advice and help from these wonderful ladies.

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