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        01-05-2013, 10:16 PM
      #41
    Trained
    **hee, hee, hee. Rubbing hands together over loot, pouring flax seeds into vittle vault, taking off ski mask***

    Ooow, Lockwood, I like the looks of what Mr. Digs is on. The feed stores here carry one or the other (nutrena or purina), except the new TSC. The nutrena dealer might order it if they don't have it already. TSC is hit or miss, it seems.

    I should try again on the flax, I know. I was "p - o-ed". Where I use to live (tiny town, big farming area), the co-op would sell it to you by the pound - you had to bring your own container...who needs 50#? You have made me decide they WILL have and sell me a stinking 50# bag! ***lightbulb*** I will sell half the bag in 5# increments on craigslist. :)
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        01-06-2013, 03:45 PM
      #42
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Missy May    
    **hee, hee, hee. Rubbing hands together over loot, pouring flax seeds into vittle vault, taking off ski mask***

    Ooow, Lockwood, I like the looks of what Mr. Digs is on. The feed stores here carry one or the other (nutrena or purina), except the new TSC. The nutrena dealer might order it if they don't have it already. TSC is hit or miss, it seems.

    I should try again on the flax, I know. I was "p - o-ed". Where I use to live (tiny town, big farming area), the co-op would sell it to you by the pound - you had to bring your own container...who needs 50#? You have made me decide they WILL have and sell me a stinking 50# bag! ***lightbulb*** I will sell half the bag in 5# increments on craigslist. :)
    Craigslist... what a good idea. I've sold extras to friends before to help pay it.
    This is not a heavy horse area so my TSC took alot of bugging by me and other customers to carry the Nutrena special stuff, and not just the SafeChoice. They do have the Purina Enrich 32 (rb) but it's more money and has less "good stuff" so I wasn't impressed with it like I was the others I tried.
    I get the flaxseed from a good mill where I get my chicken feeds.

    Vittle vault? LOL!!
    *watch out... payback is coming... *
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        01-06-2013, 03:57 PM
      #43
    Started
    If your horse was wearing shoes often before, then when you take them off this can be likely to happen. I would think that over time they would becomemore hard and secure.
    But don't take my advice unless you want to - my horses have been barefoot all their lives. They do still get some good lookin cracks, but it's normal.
         
        01-06-2013, 05:51 PM
      #44
    Green Broke
    This isnt a shoes vs barefoot, sorry but the specialty is hoof care, I see no point in subdividing it farther. Whats next a left foot specialist ? A right foot specialist ?
    Seem to be some people in this thread acting like there is some kinda barrier that prevents a person from being able to do shoes, to also do a trim. LIke I said long ago, a barefoot trim is also a tool in the box. One I expect my farrier to have. It isnt that specialized that there needs to be some kinda complete separate profession. One for shoes one for not. That is ridiculous. You guys are creating mountains out of molehills. If your farrier can't do a trim, that individual is bad, not the profession.
    I expect the single individual that shows up to do my hoof care to be capable of shoes, barefoot trims, trim for renegade boots, treat injuries and ailments to the hoof, and what not. Based on what I tell them I will do with the horse for the next 4 to 8 weeks. I find it totally pointless to waste my time and money on someone only equipped or inclined to do half a job. Barefoot trimming isnt a "specialty" its a basic hoof care skill. I am sure there are farriers that can't do one, for that matter theres alot of them that are just sorry. The good farriers can pretty much do what needs to be done barefoot or shod. The label they give themselves doesnt impart some magical power one way or the other.

    Since many find that opinion offensive, somebody explain to me the advantage of hiring a barefoot trimmer ? Peopel ranting and raving saying I am closed minded but seriously what is the advantage ? I don't see any, are they cheaper ? My farrier costs $35 for a trim, I know they arnt going to do a better job than the couple farriers I've used that I find good.
    I think some people just wound up with bad, untrained, guys that don't keep up with the trade, that call them selves farriers that basically just did crappy jobs. And yep lots of them out there. Then they found a competent trimmer calling themselves a barefoot trimmer, then suddenly in their minds a farrier couldnt do a trim. Sorry I just think you guys got some bad farriers.
         
        01-06-2013, 07:05 PM
      #45
    Weanling
    It sounds to me that in the rest of the argument you've been saying that if someone doesn't want to haul around an anvil everywhere, they have no right touching horse's feet and no one should let them do barefoot trims and opt for a farrier instead.

    If they have no intention of using shoes, why bother only seeking out someone who does shoes? What's wrong with having a trimmer come in?

    I can see your point that someone who does shoes is probably best served knowing how to do both, the the reverse argument is not the same. Some people that may be very well equipped to care for bare hooves may not wish to invest in the stuff they'd have to haul around to do shoes.

    So long as they have enough barefoot clients to keep them busy, why should they ever mess with shoes?
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        01-06-2013, 09:03 PM
      #46
    Trained
    I don't understand Joe4. My horses have been barefoot for a long, long while. None of the farriers that trimmed them did not know how to put shoes on - in fact, only my last regular farrier specialized in barefoot trimming. Yes, people specialize in it today. Although someone that has never seen a horse before could trim a horse - as w most all things it is the experience and knowledge that determines how proficient they are at any given task. I don't think anyone is advocating that farriers that shoe be excluded from barefoot trimming, but you seem to feel only people that practice both should be allowed to trim (as a farrier). If they are talented at both, great. But since I don't want shoes....one's "shoeing talent" matters not to me. When I am unable to do it myself, I only care about a farrier's ability to properly assess and trim any given hoof. I am not alone...it is supply and demand that dictates and predicts there are people that, yes, specialize in barefoot trimming/care. If what you are saying is that since there is a growing demand, there will be people jumping on the bandwagon w a rasp and a pair of nippers that have no business taking people's money - that is true of ANY service. It has always been a buyer beware world.

    I went barefoot after studying bucephalus. He did not wear shoes. I hardly think his master and his army were "incompetent" or "lacking".
         
        01-06-2013, 09:36 PM
      #47
    Green Broke
    Actually, my last trimmer was a farrier and she did a decent barefoot trim. I switched to an actual barefoot trimmer, because he was known for corrective trimming. My one mare is requiring more specialized care as she gets older.
    A good farrier should be able to do a decent trim. However, especially in my area a lot of farriers still pare out the sole and leave high heels. There are good and bad ones in both fields.
    It took my mare a year to transition to barefoot. I started noticing a change after the 1st 6 months though.
         
        01-06-2013, 09:49 PM
      #48
    Yearling
    I see you're in NZ, we are too and have fantastic results barefoot once we started feeding our horses decent minerals including something called GrazeEzy.
    You can get it at any CRT feed store or from the website here...
    ProvideIt Multi Vitamin & Minerals for Horses

    Honestly this stuff is the best - our horses hooves are rock hard and smooth walled.
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        01-06-2013, 10:42 PM
      #49
    Trained
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    Since many find that opinion offensive, somebody explain to me the advantage of hiring a barefoot trimmer ? Peopel ranting and raving saying I am closed minded but seriously what is the advantage ? I don't see any, are they cheaper ? My farrier costs $35 for a trim, I know they arnt going to do a better job than the couple farriers I've used that I find good.
    The advantage is having horses whose feet are looking better than they have in 10+ years, horses whose feet don't start chipping two weeks after they have been trimmed, horses who don't gimp over gravel.

    I don't give two hoots about wether my trimmer does shoes or not. If he did (Which he used to), then great, if not, well mine don't need shoes, so who cares?

    I have used just about every single farrier in my city (Capital city!) and have not been happy with the trim any of them did. It was enough to keep my horses rideable, and sound, but I always had troubles with sand cracks and chipping.

    Maybe there is an issue with education of farriers in my parts. Who knows? Or maybe there IS a difference in the style of trim an old school farrier does compared to what my trimmer does. I don't know, and I don't claim to know either way.

    All I care about is the fact that my horses are BETTER OFF with my current trimmer, who doesn't do shoes, over any of the farriers I have used in the past. I think it would be totally ridiculous for me to ignore this fact and dismiss my trimmer because he doesn't do shoes, which I don't need anyway.
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