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        07-31-2013, 08:54 PM
      #21
    Banned
    I can't stop coming back to this conversation and looking at these feet, my mind is just blown.

    I do hope that this horse owner is the 'farriers' only client, and he is not butchering many horses in your area. It's just absolutely horrifying. Add to that a horse owner is accepting this - and I am just amazed.



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    Originally Posted by Kayella    

    PS, I think backward shoeing is done to shorten breakover and offer heel support. But all it's doing is crushing the heels. He doesn't need the grow heel, they need to be shortened and brought back to where they should be. There's plenty there for the farrier to take away.
    It is a seriously outdated method. Many better alternatives now, heck you can buy shoes specifically for this at TSC.
    Add to that, look at the photo again, the shoe isn't even on straight.

    I would seriously hurt a farrier for doing this to my horse, it would only be one foot, but they would regret that.
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        07-31-2013, 09:19 PM
      #22
    Trained
    Get some brochures about good hoof form and leave them lying around the barn. The farrier should be honeyed and but in with the bears, with the owner thrown right in behind for desert. That is, if I understand correctly that the owner has been given the proper advice, yet allowed the horse to get to this state and continues to allow it.
         
        07-31-2013, 09:31 PM
      #23
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by AlexS    
    It is a seriously outdated method. Many better alternatives now, heck you can buy shoes specifically for this at TSC.
    Add to that, look at the photo again, the shoe isn't even on straight.
    Oh trust me, I don't condone this method at all. I was just stating what I think is the reason why they do it. Definitely an outdated practice. With all the technology we have these days, you could do a million more things that would be more beneficial before doing that.
         
        07-31-2013, 09:33 PM
      #24
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
    The farrier should be honeyed and but in with the bears
    Sorry - typo. Should be "put in with the bears"
         
        07-31-2013, 09:35 PM
      #25
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by verona1016    
    Wow, that's definitely up there with the worst looking feet I've ever seen. Is this horse ridden like this?
    Yes.But I convinced her to not ride until horse was stable.
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        07-31-2013, 09:42 PM
      #26
    Trained
    Lordy, lordy, that's just bad, really bad, horrible actually.
         
        07-31-2013, 09:44 PM
      #27
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by Kayella    
    Oh trust me, I don't condone this method at all. I was just stating what I think is the reason why they do it. Definitely an outdated practice. With all the technology we have these days, you could do a million more things that would be more beneficial before doing that.
    Oh I know. I didn't mean to imply that you thought this was ok.




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    Originally Posted by princessfluffybritches    
    Yes.But I convinced her to not ride until horse was stable.
    Which will be never unless she changes farriers. It actually hurts me to call this guy a farrier. It's just hard to type.

    Someone else suggested the idea, and I think it's a great one. You think she would allow you to pay for a new farrier and get a free trim?
         
        07-31-2013, 09:59 PM
      #28
    Yearling
    This farrier does about 60 horses at the barn, including mine. A few people have their own farriers , but they just stop coming after a while.
    He has my horse shod real nice in aluminums, but I'm the biggest thorn in his side. And he knows that I know quite a bit. He's in his 60's. I don't think he likes women with princess horses.

    The more I read here the madder I get. I just don't understand people, or maybe I do, that just assume that he's right about the horse's poor quality hooves.

    However, I have to be careful in what I say around there. Especially since I've decided to go to farrier school in September, for 2 weeks first, that's all about assessing and trimming, and how to nail on a simple shoe. After September, I will be a bona fide trimmer. I can trim now, and I've obsessed over anything I can read about hooves (like you all, LOL). Now I'll go to 2 weeks of horse shoe school and pass a course on trimming. And go back when I can to do more. Maybe.

    So I've talked to these two friends, and got them professional advice from a farrier I know in another state. I printed it out. I took pics of the hooves. I did it all without mentioning the farrier.

    The other thing is that the farrier there, the trainer and the owner are not about to say anything negative about the farrier because he's cheap.

    I'm sure the woman has an understanding of what's wrong. But she likes the "poor me" thing too.
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        07-31-2013, 10:14 PM
      #29
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Kayella    
    The picture Smrobs marked SHOWS that he doesn't have bad feet. The new growth is growing in correctly. What's happening is the laminae is tearing away from the hoof wall from constant flaring and is splaying out like it is. I wonder if the coffin bone has a negative PA and is sinking? Poor horse. I would try and convince the owner to get radiographs done to show her that his feet need done horribly and the farrier she has now isn't worth a lick. Or, offer to trim the horse for free. In such a poor case like this where the horse is suffering at the owner's hands, I would want to do anything I could to help him out.

    PS, I think backward shoeing is done to shorten breakover and offer heel support. But all it's doing is crushing the heels. He doesn't need the grow heel, they need to be shortened and brought back to where they should be. There's plenty there for the farrier to take away.

    Kayella, I see what you're saying about the new growth. Looks pretty good to a point. I think you're right.

    I would have trimmed, but , it looks like those heels have to come way back (slowly) and be wedged up for the time being. Even those heels in the first cm. Come in straight, then bend so far forward, that it takes a while to find the end of the heel. So right now, it's not something I'd want to do without some more experience.

    As far as I know, the picture is not distorted, but it sure looks bad right in your face rather than looking down on them.

    I can't believe that someone who is very well educated, who fawns all over her horse, loves the horse to death, and will spend anything for anything the horse needs, can look at those feet without crying. And the "professionals" at the barn all say that the farrier is doing all he can for the horse. Bunk!
         
        07-31-2013, 10:51 PM
      #30
    Banned
    Glad you are learning yourself. I wouldn't let this farrier touch your horse, if it were my horse, he wouldn't even be allowed to glance over at him.


    If you want to pm me your location, I will help you find a farrier, like a real one, who knows something.
         

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