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    05-17-2011, 09:32 PM
Your horses frog is peeling due to some terrible thrush, way too long heels and contraction. His frogs are withrered and atrophied from being like this chronically. If you take him bare, he will be lame on that frog without boots and padding. Its like a giant sore open wound when it gets that bad and should be treated as such. Keep it clean and dry and medicated. Sometimes wrapping a sore frog with black salve/ickthammol can help reduce soreness after you pull the shoes. Its not good. It will take some recovery time. Bare would be my choice to recover this also.

Also the hole in his sole is indeed shedding false sole. If you take his shoes off and get his bars trimmed to a more appropriate level, it will all slough out over time back to live sole and allow you to lower his heels too.

I hope your farrier isnt using leveraged heeled shoes..I don't know what the proper term is but they are cut at an angle so when the horse steps, it wedges his heels wider...BIG no no. If he is..fire him.
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    05-17-2011, 09:32 PM
He might have a little sulcus thrush going on in that frog. There's some stuff called Dry Cow that will take care of it. I'm sure the farrier you choose will be able to determine if it is sulcus thrush. It's ugly but easily cureable with a little time.
    05-17-2011, 10:55 PM
I'm sorry for the late reply, I'm at a baseball game and there is apparently no service in a mlb stadium..riddle me that.
Biscuit's owner...Jess?
I called my vets office and got a list but they were going to give me the name of my current farrier and I don't like that so I'm hesitant to call any farrier from that list..
I'll check out that website and find someone close thank you! And I will keep updates. I'll try to post on this thread, my geldings name is Gunnar if I can't find this and post a new one.. I just want my boy happy and healthy. I've ALWAYS questioned his heel height... I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks the farrier work is crummy. :/
If that's an abcess that's blown, he didn't come up lame once. The farrier told me it was white line and I flipped at his "eh no big deal" attitude. I'll call him tomorrow and tell him I won't be able to meet him. In the mean time I'll call another farrier to come out and look at him. I don't want him in pain from shoes being pulled but I'd rather him be stall bound for a little while than never have his feet better. Whatever is best for my boy. I'm a firm believer in barefoot if possible. And no, his shoes aren't at a slope that your talking about. He ground down the front so they are like rocking shoes? Like pony shape-ups.I will absolutely keep updates and as soon as I find a good farrier I'll report back with what they say and pictures of his work. Thank you everyone for being so helpful.
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    05-17-2011, 11:24 PM
Green Broke
This is Biscuit's owner, Denise. He very well might be sore if you pull those shoes. Keep him on soft ground if possible. Turn him out in a pasture where he can walk around and get the blood pumping back into those feet. Blood circulation will help heal those heels!

Get you some books on Barefoot trimming. I am trimming Biscuit's hooves myself. We are all trimming at our barn. We all get together and work on hooves. I did have a farrier do Biscuit the other day because his feet are now growing like wildfire and are hard as rocks and I was having a major flair up of arthritis in my wrists. Ugh....it is hard to trim with sore wrists! Anyway, he trims the barn owner's horses as she has 20 horses. He did attend a barefoot clinic with us and he is doing a mustang roll on the horses. Some of owner's horses have severe hoof issues - one of her horses foundered last year and she spent a fortune hauling her to a equine clinic and having some top notch farrier shoe her at $400 a pop. Poor girls hooves looked like melted icecream cones. We had a barefoot trimmer clinic in February and this endurance rider/trimmer trimmed that mare that could barely stand on the concrete. When she was through the mare was licking her lips. We put her in the arena and she started trotting around and that poor girl could barely walk before that. Now she is cantering in the field.

I have seen literally a miracle with with hooves going barefoot.

Search out a barefoot trimmer and learn from them. I have learned a ton from reading and watching and working with our horses at the barn.
    05-18-2011, 12:01 AM
Okay sorry, there's a girl at the barn I board at who's horses name is Biscuit. It's not very popular :) I'll be getting books. I found someone on that list who sounds perfect. I'll be calling tomorrow morning and hopefully she can trim him as early as Thursday. I had no idea you correct feet barefoot -_- I'm very eager to have his shoes pulled now. He would probably stay in his stall and I could take him out and walk the yard, the paddocks get kind of hard with the rain then heat. I can walk him around though a couple of times a day. And if it's really bad I have some bute tablets on hand. I'll keep updates.
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    05-18-2011, 12:24 AM
Originally Posted by MyBoyPuck    
He might have a little sulcus thrush going on in that frog. There's some stuff called Dry Cow that will take care of it. I'm sure the farrier you choose will be able to determine if it is sulcus thrush. It's ugly but easily cureable with a little time.
Yes, that will work best for the thrush, plus it's not painful to use.
    05-18-2011, 12:30 AM
I've used that before. He seems to be prone to thrush. I'll pick some up tomorrow.
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    05-18-2011, 01:50 PM
So far no luck :/ the one lady on that list will only do him if he is outside 24/7 :/ he goes outside from 7am to 5pm.
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    05-18-2011, 04:52 PM
Green Broke
Bummer. Keep looking. My boys are out 24/7 with a run in shelter covered on 2 sides.

LOL Biscuit has had several names...his former owner called him Blaze and Trigger - he sent him to a trainer (very harsh person) that called him Goose (most likely because he pooped like a pet goose) and it kinda stuck.

When I got him I called him Pac first (for Piece of Cake because he was so easy to handle and I am a cake decorator!) ...humm...not loving it. Then Nick for Nick Nolte because he was so blonde...ummm...cousin's hubby had a fit and said I couldn't name him that so one day we came up with Biscotti (I make killer Biscotti) or Scottie or Biscuit. Biscuit stuck - and now Biscuit responds to that name where before, he had no idea what his name was!
    05-18-2011, 05:12 PM
Don't feel discouraged. Yes, these hooves look terrible, but with some good trimming he will come around! To me the hole in the sole looks like simply overlaid bars and excess sole that has started to come off. In general his feet are extremely long and his frog and bulbs are very unhealthy, due to being lifted off the ground by those heels for who knows how long. Everyone here has given good advice. Do your best to find a reputable farrier and ideally a barefoot trimmer who can help you bring these hooves back to a healthy state. I'd highly recommend getting him out of shoes and into a pair of boots while he needs protection, but not before you find a trustworthy trimmer. No point fitting him for boots before he's got a good trim, because his foot is going to change drastically (for the better!).

Good luck and keep us posted.

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