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post #1 of 6 Old 05-06-2014, 12:12 AM Thread Starter
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Identifying (correct) breakover?

The hot dry weather has been contributing to Jayne's sole filling up with rock-hard retained layers. Nothing soft or flaky. We had a week of rain and that shed out- suddenly his hoof walls were 1/4 "longer" overnight relative to the sole. I trimmed his feet yesterday, pictures from tonight, but I think his toes seem to be creeping forward on me and I am not sure how to be 'properly' aggressive to keep them where it should be. I am comfortable rasping back to the white line, but I am nervous about going too far, and him building up sole and frog has me somewhat stymied. You can also see the change in growth I mentioned before about 1/3 down- you can feel the ring, more so towards the heels than the toe, but it looks worse in the picture than life. His frogs are about a million times better than they were a few months ago, but still plenty of room to improve and we're back to hot and dry.


What do you think? Good? Bad? Just rasp it back to vertical where the white line meets the sole at the toe? I could map 10 and 2 and take the hoof wall between those points so the ground surface in those areas is the edge of the white line and front of the sole?

I think part of what is throwing me off is that his feet already look SO SHORT compared to the other horses at the barn, so I worry. Are they too short already?
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Wow! Hope you're happy with the progress, because there are some great changes there compared to your last thread! Good job!

Need more pics. They look pretty good to me, but obviously still a little flared at the toe. I think there's a little more distortion going on than is obvious. I'd bevel them strongly, to/near white line, from '10-2' & slightly less further around if the flaring continues around. The heels could *possibly* come down a little, but I'm really not sure, with only those pics & no further info. There was a question of negative angles somewhere along the line wasn't there? I'm not thinking that foot but can't remember details.
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Good job! His feet are looking tons better. I'm in the same boat as you, that I don't want to take the toe back too fast or too much and sore my horse. Bevel back to the white line, and refresh that bevel every week. They are a bit long in the toe, but definitely not too bad. I think your frog apex is hidden, and that's why his toe doesn't look too long from the sole. Find your frog apex and then map the foot. You'll find your correct breakover then, and can work towards that in your next few trims.

His feet are definitely not too short. My horse has the "shortest" feet at the barn, and they're still a bit long in the toe. The other horses just don't receive adequate routine hoofcare.
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The break over point looks REALLY REALLY GOOD . You should be feeling a subtle hump or rise in the sole just behind the white line and that is perfect! Don't change it. The bars can use a little help where they are bending and cracking, but you should be very pleased with the progress of these hooves.
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Thank you everyone! You make me feel much better about everything.

Yes Loosie, NPA are part of the story, but to our best guess without rads, only in the rear feet which were showing signs of bull-nosing, which has entirely straightened out in the LR and 99% straightened out in the RR (just a little convex bit about 1" from the ground at the toe).

Kayella- I am glad I'm not the only one who looks at all the horse feet! Your comment made me laugh!

Patty- thank you so much, as always, a work in progress!
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I wasn't quick enough to add these in, first medial view of the left rear
20140505 LR Medial 2.jpg

And then the medial view right rear. They both used to be bullnosed from toe to coronary band.
20140505 RR Medial 3.jpg
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