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        06-28-2013, 02:07 AM
    Improvement Timeline?

    My horse had seen my previous farrier for 2 years and was always sound.
    With moving to a new barn, I am using that barn's farriers. So he has been shod by them since last Nov. 12.

    In the last month my horse has been less than sound in the fore, and my vet has determined (after a number of blocks, flexions, etc and fluroscopes) that the front hoof angles have been the issue. When my horse trots his RF pastern angle does not drop as much as the left. The LF heel seems or is underrun. The RF pastern angle is straighter. My vet is going to speak to my farriers and hopefully they will be on board.

    This lameness issue took a while to appear. How long might it take to get back to him being sound?
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        06-28-2013, 01:53 PM
    Hi/lo syndrome may be normal for the horse. One will always grow upright and one will always try to grow longer toe and forward heel. If the current farrier followed his anatomy, he may be right. If the past farrier tried to make the hooves look the same, he may have been thinking that this was right, but it wasn't. The LF is underrun, which may take a while to improve, then maintenance is the key.

    I'm going by the pictures now. Is the low foot hanging over the shoe on the sides? It should not be. The shoes look short to me and should be a bit longer in the back for more support . Are his shoes kinda thick? The pastern is not going to bend as much because the "high" foot is like that probably because the tendons are tighter.
    Like in my horse the run forward hoof is the challenge . You have to continuously keep that toe back and get back the heels as much as the horse's hoof angle will allow.

    The horse's situation involves maintenance of each hoof individually, not try to make them look the same. Then use an exercise routine to help his balance-Others can recommend what exercises.

    The past farrier may have been trying to increase the angle of the LF and all he got was a foot that was longer toed and underrun. Increasing the angle is slow work to not let the hoof run forward while doing so.

    It looks like the current farrier may be working on improving the balance. Call him and tell him that the horse seems unbalanced. He may be able to do more.
        06-29-2013, 01:30 AM
    Thanks for your comments. I posted these pics of him with 7 week old shoes and just today he was re shod . I'm going to start paying more attention to angles and take pics over the next few months. Usually we are at 6 week intervals. My current farrier would like better digital images so he can see for himself what the vet is alluding to.

    So, that's my next step.
        06-29-2013, 12:48 PM
    LF is way out of hand. Im afraid if your farrier can't see it, they are not trained in a way that knows how to deal with this issue.

    Google ELPO hoof mapping. That foot 100% has WAY more toe than heel. A no no. Mapping is a good way to figure out where breakover should be.
        06-29-2013, 12:58 PM
    If I am not mistaken, there is some bulging happening on the LF, big no no!
        06-29-2013, 02:04 PM
    Wow that is quite the web pages for elpo hoof mapping.
    I will still get xrays done and hope my farrier will work well with my vet. Thanks for the link!
        06-29-2013, 02:20 PM
    NP. This is 100% a farrier induced problem however. Make no mistake. If this one can't fix this, look for someone who is familiar and preferably certified with ELPO and will get this foot proportionate again and properly angled.
        06-29-2013, 03:07 PM
    Green Broke
    Yes Karen, the LF is bullnosing. The laminae is pulling away from the hoof wall which 100% tells you that this hoof is not how it should be. Long toes + underrun heels can result in the coffin bone rotating. Yes, it will take a long time to fix. Around 6-11 months of staying on top of trimming to get a new hoof to grow out. That is the only way for the laminae to be tight with the hoof wall again, it has to be grown out that way. I would definitely get radiographs done to see where his coffin bone is. And I would definitely be interested in seeing those radiographs.

    I had the same problem with my yearling in January(I know, bad horse mommy. After him almost dying his feet took a back seat for a couple months.) He had long toes, underrun heels, and the bullnosing. He had a negative PA(the angle of the coffin bone) on all four feet. Meaning, the coffin bone was tipping upwards. I have him scheduled to get updated radiographs of his feet next Saturday and I am oh so excited to see how his feet are looking now.
        06-29-2013, 03:21 PM
    A competent farrier can have the internal angles and breakover back where they belong in a trim or two. This is what ELPO is all about. You can see videos from Gene Ovenik (sorry, I can't spell his last name) for get more info on proper hoof form and how they fix it. The wall will take longer but with modern shoeing methods, this can be fixed quickly and the horse should go sound in a week or two unless there is tendon damage present somewhere. NPA is hard on the leg.
        06-29-2013, 03:36 PM
    Green Broke
    Oh yeah, fixing the angles themselves could be done in a couple trims. I was referencing the bulging on the hoof wall. Backing up that toe and getting the heel where it needs to be should be easy peasy.
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