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        01-25-2014, 09:01 PM
      #21
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by evilamc    
    Wow I can't believe you've watched them ALL! They're so long and sometimes a bit over my head so I haven't made it through many of them :(
    Yeah.... I became a big fan of hers when I got my horse a few years ago, and he had crap for feet. I had a barefoot trimmer I hired because those videos convinced me bare was the way to go for him. Then as her videos progressed and so did my horse's condition, well, I started thinking I could do that. I bet I could bring that toe back. Get those heels down. Un-jam that hairline. Off I went. I do two horses now, and they are both awesome :) Rocks are no big deal for a once ouchy horse! Linda isn't perfect but she helped me help my horse in a major way.

    You learn as you go to - I still go back and watch her videos and pick up on things I couldn't understand before. What's greek to you now will be easier once you get in there and start doing :)
         
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        01-25-2014, 09:04 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    I'm comfortable with rasping, but nippers and the hoof knives I'm not really comfortable with. Don't own nippers, but I do have a knife, bought one because he kept having little frog tags but I'm just not good with it LOL! Dunno if I bought a bad one that isn't sharp enough or what but I couldn't use it to save my life! Anddd I'm terrified of touching the soles lol.
         
        01-25-2014, 09:13 PM
      #23
    Foal
    I started without nippers, no biggie. When you start you want to take off little bits at a time anyway. Rasp-rasp *look, analyze* rasp rasp.

    Hoof knife, once you learn to hold it and use it certain ways for extra leverage, it's easy. Well, ... I still cut myself sometimes. I suspect I always will but it's hardly the end of the world.

    Go ahead and be scared to touch the sole. I was. At first I only trimmed the bars with my knife, got them level to whatever sole there was, and when the foot started taking shape that extra sole just flaked out on it's own. When you learn more about judging sole depth and coffin bone location, then you can go ahead and clean that sole out if you think you need to. No one starts as an expert and people here give good advice when you need it (always have pictures!).

    I'm sure there are some people who are thinking "shut up, amateur!" ahahaha So I will now
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        01-25-2014, 09:41 PM
      #24
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by evilamc    
    I'm comfortable with rasping, but nippers and the hoof knives I'm not really comfortable with. Don't own nippers
    Beats my first start at trimming my own... instructed by a farrier & taught it was adequate to just use nips & I didn't own a rasp! Thankfully I kept learning... & found other teachers! Yes, if you only want to do touch-ups in between, or you trim often enough, shouldn't even need nips, but you'll be there a long time with a sharp rasp if that's all you've got, for those hooves! Do you have a farrier booked?
         
        01-25-2014, 09:44 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    Yeah she's coming feb 3rd. Haha well luckily dexters pretty patient with me so I don't mind taking my time with the rasp ;) I'm going to take pics after she does them, get input then I'll try some too from your input..that a good idea?
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        01-31-2014, 09:38 AM
      #26
    Weanling
    I see the heels are slowly improving. The need just a tweak back more but they are shorter than in summer at least.
    You can get a better heel first landing by moving the breakover point of the toe back where it belongs. It is still too forward. Getting the breakover rearward will assist the foot to roll over in correct time with where the rest of the leg is at that moment so it can have enough "air time" for the leg to extend fully and land the foot on the heel.
         
        01-31-2014, 10:48 PM
      #27
    Yearling
    Thanks Patty, I'll talk to her about the breakover and see where SHE thinks it should be and then take pics after her trim and you guys can help me see where YOU think it should be. I'm glad you can see at least a little improvement, makes me feel like I'm not completely wasting my money! I talk to her Monday and see what she says and get pics right after the trim. Then if theres room for improvement/taking more off I'll go at it haha. Why can't hooves be as easy as trimming dogs nails? Jeezzz
         
        02-01-2014, 11:46 AM
      #28
    Weanling
    Quote:
    but she did discover pretty much all of her own techniques.
    NO. She didn't. I have been at this a lot longer than her or probably any of you and know first hand the timelines of where and when a lot of it came from. Much (most) of it was from other people and developed LONG before her. She uses nearly verbatum some of Gene Ovnicek's stuff from nearly 20 years ago.
    I can't stand plagiarists.
    She needs to give credit where credit is due.
         
        02-01-2014, 01:16 PM
      #29
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Patty Stiller    
    NO. She didn't. I have been at this a lot longer than her or probably any of you and know first hand the timelines of where and when a lot of it came from. Much (most) of it was from other people and developed LONG before her. She uses nearly verbatum some of Gene Ovnicek's stuff from nearly 20 years ago.
    I can't stand plagiarists.
    She needs to give credit where credit is due.
    Well, without knowing who Gene Ovnicek is (sorry, I know that would help this conversation hugely) all I can say is that again, I've seen her dissect, analyze, learn, and tweak how she trims repeatedly over the huge timespan of her videos. If there are things she did say verbatim, then it's totally possible she's studied and been heavily influenced by others works and in that case yes, she could mention it and give other people the chance to go study those same materials. But it's also completely possible to reach the same conclusions. Two people, 20 years apart, looking at horses with the same hoof pathologies could absolutely find the same truth and sound very similar.

    Besides where the material came from, that alone shouldn't be reason to hate her - if you disagree with the trimming techniques that's one thing, but if you don't then it can only be seen as a good thing that she's out there on a pretty popular channel educating people for free. Her videos are really easy to follow along with (if you have patience, she tends to drone on sometimes and repeat herself) and that visual of watching someone trim, and being able to go back and rewatch, re-think what she's doing is so so valuable for people who really have no idea about hooves but want to learn.
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        02-10-2014, 04:59 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    Grrr his feet got trimmed today, a week late because of nasty weather :( Started taking pictures.....andddd my phone died. So fail. I got like 2 pictures but not much so I'll wait to share. Hopefully I can get out there one day this week while its still light out and get pictures while the trims still fresh. My phone absolutely hates the cold, may have to take my actual camera with me haha.
         

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