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    01-06-2013, 09:02 PM
Laminitis- defined as inflammation or edema of the sensitive laminae of the hoof.

Founder- rotation of the pedal bone.
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    01-06-2013, 09:25 PM
We are saying the same thing here basically. Founder is thought of by most ppl I know (eta most people I know professionally..not laymen) to be the advanced stage of laminitus when the lamina are damaged enough that they detach and the bone rotates. Its describing a symptom (rotation of the coffin bone), not the disease. The disease is laminitus, the result CAN be founder if its sever or not caught in time. Semantics tho.

I personally KNOW the definition. ;) However, in many areas, the words are used interchangeably.
    01-06-2013, 11:03 PM
We rescue and rehab a lot of horses and quite a few of them have foundered.
This horse is one of my favourites, he is a well into his 20s, connemara and you could not get a bigger clown.
He had spent a lifetime with terrible laminitis verging on founder before coming to us in 2010. Previously he could barely walk and certainly didn't bounce around.
Since we completely changed his diet - he is in fields of long DRY grass NO CLOVER and he is barefoot (his hooves are terrific thanks to great quality mineral supplements), we have not had any problems. We keep a close eye on all our horses of course, and if the weather changes and the grass flushes green, we know to get Danny off the paddock (we have a dirt track where they live on hay)until the intense growth is past.
Anyhow, this is him being an idiot with my equally 'aged' stock horse Persil, over summer last year - must get some more this year!

What I mean to say is it is all about management, but if the diet is well managed and the horses are BAREFOOT, there should be no problem.
Also make sure they get plenty of salt added to the feed especially in spring and autumn!!! (This balances the potassium overload present in green growing grass!)
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    01-06-2013, 11:30 PM
Some foundered horses NEED shoes and wedges etc to take the pressure off certain parts of the foot.

You can't make a general statement like that about them having to be barefoot.
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    01-07-2013, 12:01 AM
What all foundered horses need, apart from proper nutrition, is de-rotation of the coffin bone and the proper breakover, no matter how it is achieved.
But I have to say, I have seen way more horses recover COMPLETELY from founder barefoot than shod...including my own.
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    01-07-2013, 12:20 AM
I'm all for barefoot, don't get me wrong... But you can't make a generalized statement. It all depends on the needs of the individual animal. Some severe cases need some special shoeing to get them sound enough to continue on barefoot. I have seen both cases :)
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    01-08-2013, 04:55 AM
Disagree with the above - lami/founder is indeed one of the conditions i'd never consider shoes for. Peripherally loading the walls/laminae of hooves that are already severely compromised is the antithesis of whats needed to facilitate healing. Also think it depends on where you come from as to definition but in my understanding founder is just the lay term for laminitis, which is the medical term. There are different degrees, with or without mechanical changes, which may or may not include rotation of p3.
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    01-08-2013, 05:01 AM
Totally agree with you Loosie. Absolutely I believe from the many cases we have treated that shoes of ANY type are no help for founder/laminitis.
    01-08-2013, 10:23 AM
Shoes I see more as a band-aid. They may or may not make the horse feel better at the moment, but, from what I've seen, don't heal anything. I've seen far more horses PTS even tho they were shod. Have yet to see one PTS with the barefoot approach.
As for the terms founder and laminitis, loosie might be right, in German exists one term, Hufrehe, in Italian it's Laminite......
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    01-08-2013, 11:20 AM
I find the shoe/barefoot debate interesting. I just inquired about another horse and was told..., you guessed it, he's had "foot pain". She gave me history which included "slight" rotation of P3. She indicated it was diet related as he became very overweight. She says his condition is completely managed with shoes and is looking for someone to buy him that will maintain his special shoeing arrangements (has a good farrier). The first horse I mentioned in the thread was barefoot and seemed to have recovered for the time being. She used a natural/barefoot farrier, I believe.
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