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        06-06-2013, 03:19 AM
      #81
    Weanling
    For anyone who's interested how this progressed, here's a follow-up.
    After he's gone into the Softride boots and was turned out to a paddock during the day, he improved a lot clinically. We have taken him off the anti-inflammatories and have changed farriers.
    The trim job that the guy did that's shown on page 1 of this thread brought a world of trouble with it though. Rasping the hoof wall so thin in the front, plus the white line separation, makes it constantly crack and flare out now. Also, the fact that the horse has been left to walk on the soles exactly in the spot where the rotated tip of the coffin bone puts the most pressure on it has bruised that entire area on both front feet to the point where he is now about to blow out abscesses. So... not impressed. Luckily our new farrier knows what he's doing.

    The horse is still - clinically - a LOT better than directly after that first trim, and has never again been remotely as bad as back then. So I don't even want to imagine how painful it was, if two massive abscesses are a great improvement... :(
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        06-06-2013, 04:18 AM
      #82
    Green Broke
    Abscesses are to be expected.
    Im glad to hear he's doing better. But I'd love to see current pics of his feet, from the side, taken at ground level, horse standing square, and from the soles, if that is possible?
    I assume he has been x-rayed?
         
        06-06-2013, 09:25 AM
      #83
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    Abscesses are to be expected.
    Im glad to hear he's doing better. But I'd love to see current pics of his feet, from the side, taken at ground level, horse standing square, and from the soles, if that is possible?
    I assume he has been x-rayed?
    Yes, he has been x-rayed twice, once when he initially foundered and once after he'd gotten so bad. No additional rotation at least...
    I'll take pics when I get out tonight, Not sure if I can get him to stand square though, he barely ever does these days...
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        06-06-2013, 09:58 AM
      #84
    Green Broke
    If the foot you're taking a pic of is straight, that's fine
         
        06-08-2013, 12:38 AM
      #85
    Weanling
    Here you go - not the best of shots, but that's all I have right now.
    Feet were only done a few days back.

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        06-08-2013, 08:13 AM
      #86
    Trained
    I don't say it lightly, but IMO you need to keep looking for a good farrier/trimmer! They are desperate for a good trim. A pity that they seem worse than early pics.

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    Also, the fact that the horse has been left to walk on the soles exactly in the spot where the rotated tip of the coffin bone puts the most pressure on it has bruised that entire area on both front feet to the point where he is now about to blow out abscesses.
    By the look of these pictures, considering the huge separation, those walls are in absolutely no shape to support anything at the moment. They desperately need to be relieved in order to begin growing down strong, in order to be able to help support the feet. So yes, that does mean his soles & frog would be bearing the entire load, & in that state I wouldn't be surprised if boots/padding needed full time for a while yet. Heels look a bit high too(tho that's hard to really judge that angle) & lowering would help 'derotate'.

    Of course this is just my opinion, from experience as a rehab trimmer, and to learn more whys & wherefores, I think from memory(been a while) Marjorie Smith explains it well in her 'white line strategy' page, if you look it up on barefoothorse.com
         
        06-08-2013, 10:12 AM
      #87
    Green Broke
    ^^^what loosie said.
    Go and read the whole barefoothorse.com site. Very good info, easy to read and understand, gives you an insight and helps you understand what's going on with your horse right now,what to do about it and who to chose to do the trimming.
         
        06-09-2013, 11:28 AM
      #88
    Yearling
    Ditto. This horse isnt being done ANY favors. You NEED to look into casting. Casting will allow you to trim that wall up and still support and protect the sole/keep horse comfy as well as providing a bit of compression to help the wall regrow tighter. You are not over the hump yet. The white line separation is sever and the wall has been left too long and is torquing the weakened white line apart. This is NOT the fault of the first trim now, but rather the fault of continuing improper/inadequate farrier care. The toe/breakover needs to be brought back using Mapping and/or X rays and the massive bars and heels need brought in hand.

    Again, im assuming the reason for laminitus has been removed. I see little to no new tight growth as of yet.
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        06-10-2013, 07:45 AM
      #89
    Weanling
    The horse had been in Softride Boots pretty much all the time since April 12 (except for hoofcare and throwing them once for a few hrs), and has been trimmed religiously every month. And yes, the (suspected) cause for the founder has been removed.

    I see and am concerned about the separation, too. The argument of the (new) farrier to leave some of the wall standing was that the soles are bruised and abscessed at the moment, and are in no shape to carry the weight either, so he tried to level the walls with the soles to leave some distribution of the weight, at least until the abscesses have blown. The boots have a frog support, too. He wants to take the walls further back with successive trims. Clinically - for what it's worth - he is right. The attempt of the first guy seems to have been "take the walls and toe way back" and has resulted in ~4 weeks of excruciating pain, inability to walk, and massive abscesses on both feet.

    Honestly, I am at a bit of a loss (again, sigh). There is one lady here who specializes in "natural hoofcare", and honestly, she seems like a complete quack (both from my own and other people's experience well before this laminitic episode). She is the only one around here to do casting, too. I don't want her working on my horse, and I don't want to start self-experiments with casting, so that's not an option right now.
    Both farriers who have worked on him thus far came with credentials and good reviews.
    Oh well, I guess it's time for someone new again...
         
        06-10-2013, 08:37 AM
      #90
    Showing
    Something I noticed in the first pics was the hoof wall jamming at the toe quarters. I'm not seeing in after the second farrier's trim. Hoof wall jamming can be painful.
         

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