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post #11 of 36 Old 11-14-2013, 09:58 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you for all of the information. The farrier is coming next week, so I am anxious to see what he has to say. He is a new guy that has never seen this horse before.

I did write down what you have all suggested so I can ask questions. It is sometimes frustrating to be at the mercy of the "professionals", which is why I like to get thoughts and suggestions from this forum .

His previous owner used a farrier that she was happy with. Supposedly he is certified in barefoot trimming and a lameness expert. However, everyone that knows and has worked around this horse insists that his heels are low and/or under-run, he has always been "ouchy" after his trimmings, and don't know this farrier from Adam. I even had another owner come by me the other day and comment on how this horse had "no heel" and "didn't look right". Huh. I guess I need to really educate myself on how to identify a good, healthy hoof.

I will let you all know what the farrier says and, if I still have concerns or doubts, I will try and post some pics to see what your thoughts are.
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His previous owner used a farrier that she was happy with. Supposedly he is certified in barefoot trimming and a lameness expert.

Find out which organization he is certified with. I ask because there are a lot of "start up" little trimming organizations run by poorly trained trimmers who think that are experts but really don't know diddly from squat. But there are others who turn out very good trimmers and have far more strict qualifications.

And check the referral list on this site Equine Lameness Prevention Organization and see if the trimmer in question is on it. (the ones who are strictly barefoot are separate at the bottom of the list so scroll down) , If he is then he should be pretty good because the methods taught there are what I always recommend and the exam test to get certified is fairly tough. .
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Find out which organization he is certified with. I ask because there are a lot of "start up" little trimming organizations run by poorly trained trimmers who think that are experts but really don't know diddly from squat. But there are others who turn out very good trimmers and have far more strict qualifications.

And check the referral list on this site Equine Lameness Prevention Organization and see if the trimmer in question is on it. (the ones who are strictly barefoot are separate at the bottom of the list so scroll down) , If he is then he should be pretty good because the methods taught there are what I always recommend and the exam test to get certified is fairly tough. .
Now I know why every farrier iv had is no good there are only two on that site,that are in minnnesota and they are both over 5 hours away. So I guess iam my own farrier forever might as well give up ever finding one.

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spirit, none of the farriers I know are on there. In fact there is only one on the entire site from my state (and several states missing.) You'll notice there are some states with many though... While that site may be good (and I don't know either way) there are plenty of other farriers out there that are still good..
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spirit, none of the farriers I know are on there. In fact there is only one on the entire site from my state (and several states missing.) You'll notice there are some states with many though... While that site may be good (and I don't know either way) there are plenty of other farriers out there that are still good..
And iv been through 7 farriers now iv given up even looking for one.
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Farrier came today. He thought the heels were more "worn" as opposed to low, and not underrun. He also said the toe was far too long and will work to shorten the toe. He only trimmed about half of what he felt needs to come back as he did not want him to be sore. He did not recommend shoes at this point, so we are keeping him barefoot.

The farrier previous owner used was on the list mentioned here, but to his defense, I don't believe she was having the horse trimmed on any kind of regular basis. Could have caused problems?

On a more concerning note, he (the farrier) offhandedly mentioned possible high ringbone and/or arthritis in right rear?? He did no seem concerned and thought finding his balance would make a huge difference. I have started reading other posts here and ringbone sounds pretty serious? Maybe I should start some kind of joint supplement at the very least??
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I will try to get some decent pics this weekend and post
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The farrier previous owner used was on the list mentioned here, but to his defense, I don't believe she was having the horse trimmed on any kind of regular basis. Could have caused problems?
Absolutely. Given that the hoof naturally grows in an angled forward direction, allowing them to overgrow runs everything forward even more. The toes flare and the heels get crushed under. And the horn tubules get bent so it takes some work to get everything back where it belongs. Some previously neglected hooves develop a permanent 'too-forward' growth pattern and need constant help forever to maintain a healthy form.
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^Yep, while farriers & trimmers often cop very deserved bad raps, they're also often blamed unfairly for things that are a product of environment, diet & other management practices
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