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    01-12-2012, 12:59 PM
  #11
Trained
Forgot to add, plumbers putty or wood putty for the nail holes. Keeps water from getting in and loosening the nails up.

Seriously though, you are looking at a fix it from the inside out situation. You are me last spring. Horse is now barefoot in back somewhat successfully and fronts are coming off in a few months. While the Durasole and Turpentine have definitely helped, a healthy foot from the inside out was the ultimate factor. I've been using Horseshoer's Secret since last March. It has made a big difference. My horse is a TB too, so it's more a healthy hoof thing rather than a breed thing.
     
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    01-12-2012, 01:10 PM
  #12
Trained
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Originally Posted by HeartMyOTTB    
Thank you Kimmy. My horse went barefoot for a hot minute after excessive moisture cause his hoof walls to become to soft. He just couldn't do it. He tip toed everywhere, was ginger in and out of the stall. Barefeet just did not work for him. And it works for many.

When we went through a bad stint with his feet, I did have a vet check him out, did x-rays, the whole nine and he was on FoundationII for about 9 months. The Vetriscience Foundation did really well. It took a long time, and was very expensive being FDA monitored, but it was worth the money.

@Bntnail - you quoted me up there with "Stuff deleted." Whats that? Did something get removed? Lol. Im confused! But yes! Stepped off! That is a way better way to describe whats happening! I guess I say sucked off because when it happens it makes me think of how when I walk in the pasture, I step out of my wellies with each stride. I can totally see in my head what you are describing.

Unfortunately, my TB just has typical TB crap feet. Someone said something about him being "shod unremittingly." I'm not sure what that means exactly. But I have had him for almost 5 years and he gets reset every 6 - 7 weeks in the winter, 5 -6 in the summer. If that has anything to do with the phrase.

My farrier suggested an Easy Boot. Any opinions on those? In my head, I don't see them staying on either. But I haven't done the googling on them yet.
I used to have a TB like this. Drove me nuts, so I know where you are coming from. Anyway, Tuff stuff EVERY TIME the shoes get reset helps a lot, IMO. On dry hooves. I especially make sure I get the nails.

Your guy not being able to go barefoot may have a lot to do with HOW the shoes are being removed to try it. I had tried and tried with one of my guys, and finally it was suggested that I actually let the "grow off" of sorts. Let the feet grow until the show is almost ready to fall off, then gently pull it (if you can get them to stay on that long) and just file a bit and roll the toe. Do not do a trim. Worked for my guy.

I will also say, that at this point it really makes no matter what you do, you are caught is a viscious cycle of sorts. Regardless of what you do, your horse will be sore for a time and you should probably use boots to ride. If you leave the horse shod, he will continue to pull them, rip up his feet and make the situation worse. This is why, IMO, it may be time to "bite the bullet" and not reshoe when they come off. File the foot, boot it to ride and expect that the horse is going to be sore for a period of time. Yeah, he may get some bruises, perhaps even an abscess. Use the products recommended above to toughen the foot and go with it. BE PATIENT!

If you insist in keeping this horse shod, try the Tuff stuff and get some good bell boots for turn out. That is your best hope, I think.

Just curious-any chance Northern Dancer is in your horses lineage?
     
    01-12-2012, 01:13 PM
  #13
Foal
I gotcha.

So, he's trimmed regularly and is on SmartHoof Ultra. He spent 9+ months on FoundationII, perscribed by my vet.

What else can I put him on?
     
    01-12-2012, 01:16 PM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
I will also say, that at this point it really makes no matter what you do, you are caught is a viscious cycle of sorts. Regardless of what you do, your horse will be sore for a time and you should probably use boots to ride. If you leave the horse shod, he will continue to pull them, rip up his feet and make the situation worse. This is why, IMO, it may be time to "bite the bullet" and not reshoe when they come off. File the foot, boot it to ride and expect that the horse is going to be sore for a period of time. Yeah, he may get some bruises, perhaps even an abscess. Use the products recommended above to toughen the foot and go with it. BE PATIENT!

If you insist in keeping this horse shod, try the Tuff stuff and get some good bell boots for turn out. That is your best hope, I think.

Just curious-any chance Northern Dancer is in your horses lineage?
When you say boot? Do you mean like an easy boot? I've been hearing that and don't know much about them.

But I get ya, I might have to do that, bit the bullet as you say. Sad, but true.

And yes, he does have Northern Dancer in him! This must be common coming from there?
     
    01-12-2012, 01:16 PM
  #15
Trained
Don't they still make shoes that glue on? =/
     
    01-12-2012, 01:39 PM
  #16
Weanling
Easy boots, to my knowledge, were made for use when the horse is being worked, not so much for when in pasture. They are a hard rubber/plastic boot that covers the hoof and clamps down so's not to come off. I have heard very good results when used when out on trails and such. There is also an off brand, cannot remember the brand, but they are a bit cheaper. If I were in your shoes, would probably try them out and see how it works for you. Would be cheaper in the long run if they work and be easier on the hoof itself.
     
    01-12-2012, 02:09 PM
  #17
Trained
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Originally Posted by Corporal    
Don't they still make shoes that glue on? =/
Yeah, as far as I know, but they are SUPER expensive and with mud can still pull off

OP-Mine was ND line, and that has always been my observation.
     
    01-12-2012, 04:41 PM
  #18
Foal
Just joined, If they are losing shoes in the front, they are not over stepping but traveling to close together in the hindquarters,hence,pulling front shoes off,placing their hind legs in the path of the front inside front hoof. Watch them travel. By simply watching them trot to you, look at the path of the placement of the hind legs/hooves. Too high on the inside and mucsle contraction. A common error amongest farriers today. I went to a www.completehorsesense .com clinic, freaken unblievable horseman.
     
    01-12-2012, 04:47 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by likemyequine    
Just joined, If they are losing shoes in the front, they are not over stepping but traveling to close together in the hindquarters,hence,pulling front shoes off,placing their hind legs in the path of the front inside front hoof. Watch them travel. By simply watching them trot to you, look at the path of the placement of the hind legs/hooves. Too high on the inside and mucsle contraction. A common error amongest farriers today. I went to a www.completehorsesense .com clinic, freaken unblievable horseman.
That link is nothing more than a guy trashtalking "gimmicks" and selling another. I stopped after the first 3 ads on how his "horse sense" product had the answers for colic, laminitis, etc......without vets.

Did not address the OP's issue.

I would suggest perhaps posting that in another thread in an appropriate place for others to weigh in on.
     
    01-12-2012, 05:45 PM
  #20
Foal
Hey,frankandbeans,really? Astonished at how you voice your opinion and don't base any of your post on facts. Just did a quick check here,because I am new here, Can't find not even one of your post that isn't based on you being bent. I said,and I quote,watch them track, this is not my opinion,I learned this by asking. You must at least try to have eyes to see frankandbeans
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Originally Posted by HeartMyOTTB    
Hi guys,

Thanks so much for your advice on this annoying matter!

My TB cannot keep shoes on his feet. This isn't exactly a surprise to me because I know why they keep coming off. They are getting sucked off in the mud of the pastures.

They are probably getting loose because his hoofwalls are soft from the moisture and then he steps into the mud and the goo sucks 'em right off his feet. So I know why this is happening, but here is my dilemma...

I don't want to make him stay in out of the mud in the interest of his shoes because he goes out in a small herd daily. Making him stay in alone while his 5 buddies are outside would drive him bonkers. I've had to keep him in before and it wears on him mentally making him difficult to work with. I can't remove the shoes completely because he is prone to stone bruising and even with the mud, the walk to the pastures is a gravel one and who knows what he will step on outside. He is also very ginger when shoeless and loses some confidence without the support.

So either way, I could end up with a lame horse. So what do I do? I do use a Kerotex hoof hardner (I think that's how its spelled) and he is on Smartpak Hoof Ultra. So his feet are well cared for. Just not good in the mud.

What can I do, or ask my farrier to do to keep these suckers on his feet!? Thanks so much!!!
     

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